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Anonymous wrote:HIPP is a great formula for mostly breastfed babies, OP. Don’t believe the propaganda. All three of my breastfed babies happily took the formula when needed.

You have to get your baby’s weight up. That trumps any and all of your desires.

OP here. I don’t feel comfortable with imported formula with the pandemic. I have no clue how it’s stored and if anything will be contaminated.

Oh FFS! This isn’t about you. It’s about the baby. You should probably also be checked for post party I’m depression bc you’re not thinking straight. That or you are incredibly sleep deprived bc you are feeding every 2 hours around the clock. That also is t good for the baby bc he’s not getting bouts of deep sleep.

Many pediatricians and experts have said to avoid imported formula.

Where are American formulas made? Most Overseas.

Most of them are made at the same factory in Vermont. Do some research.

No, they really are not mostly made in Vermont!!!

And the ingredients are almost always made and shipped from overseas.

Store brand formulas are manufactured by Perrigo, whose manufacturing plant is in Vermont. They also make Bobbie formula, which has been mentioned on this thread.

Anyway, the argument that American formulas are manufactured overseas and therefore are just as safe as European formulas is silly. European formulas are perfectly safe for infants - European babies are not malnourished. OP is just coming up with straw arguments because she is too selfish to put aside her own desires and parent the child she has, not the child she wanted.

A PP who brought up what happens in developing nations if a mother’s milk supply is low (and doesn’t have access to formula and clean water) was absolutely right. Those babies are malnourished at best, dead at worst.

This “breast is best” nonsense is terrible. My SIL (much older than me - my nephew is early 30s) told me how for the first 6 weeks of my nephew’s life she tried everything she could to breastfeed. At his 6 week appointment my nephew had barely regained his birth weight. The pediatrician told her “Give that baby a bottle”. And she did, and he thrived. That would NEVER happen now. Women are encouraged to pursue breastfeeding at all costs, and it’s sad. At least OPs pediatrician has told her to supplement.

OP - listen to the pediatrician. If your baby ends up with a failure to thrive diagnosis, it will be no one’s fault but yours, and you will have to live with that.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I wonder if you even have kids let alone any that are under the age of, say, 10. This is narrative that you convinced yourself exists. When DD was 6 days old, she was struggling to nurse. Her weight was dropping. My super pro-breastfeeding pediatrician said she needed nutrition now and to give formula and try triple feeding. After nursing, give the baby either formula or what I could pump. She had me come back for a weight check in two days.

This is the norm. Yes, breastfeeding is strongly encouraged, but never at the cost of the baby or mother’s well-being.

Just because it’s your experience doesn’t mean there’s a plethora of pressure to breastfeed at all costs. And I am a new poster. Ranging from lactation consultants that come right in even though I requested I did not want one and announced to everyone I wanted to formula feed at the hospital to moms groups.

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Anonymous wrote:HIPP is a great formula for mostly breastfed babies, OP. Don’t believe the propaganda. All three of my breastfed babies happily took the formula when needed.

You have to get your baby’s weight up. That trumps any and all of your desires.

OP here. I don’t feel comfortable with imported formula with the pandemic. I have no clue how it’s stored and if anything will be contaminated.

Oh FFS! This isn’t about you. It’s about the baby. You should probably also be checked for post party I’m depression bc you’re not thinking straight. That or you are incredibly sleep deprived bc you are feeding every 2 hours around the clock. That also is t good for the baby bc he’s not getting bouts of deep sleep.

Many pediatricians and experts have said to avoid imported formula.

Where are American formulas made? Most Overseas.

Most of them are made at the same factory in Vermont. Do some research.

No, they really are not mostly made in Vermont!!!

And the ingredients are almost always made and shipped from overseas.

Store brand formulas are manufactured by Perrigo, whose manufacturing plant is in Vermont. They also make Bobbie formula, which has been mentioned on this thread.

Anyway, the argument that American formulas are manufactured overseas and therefore are just as safe as European formulas is silly. European formulas are perfectly safe for infants - European babies are not malnourished. OP is just coming up with straw arguments because she is too selfish to put aside her own desires and parent the child she has, not the child she wanted.

A PP who brought up what happens in developing nations if a mother’s milk supply is low (and doesn’t have access to formula and clean water) was absolutely right. Those babies are malnourished at best, dead at worst.

This “breast is best” nonsense is terrible. My SIL (much older than me - my nephew is early 30s) told me how for the first 6 weeks of my nephew’s life she tried everything she could to breastfeed. At his 6 week appointment my nephew had barely regained his birth weight. The pediatrician told her “Give that baby a bottle”. And she did, and he thrived. That would NEVER happen now. Women are encouraged to pursue breastfeeding at all costs, and it’s sad. At least OPs pediatrician has told her to supplement.

OP - listen to the pediatrician. If your baby ends up with a failure to thrive diagnosis, it will be no one’s fault but yours, and you will have to live with that.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I wonder if you even have kids let alone any that are under the age of, say, 10. This is narrative that you convinced yourself exists. When DD was 6 days old, she was struggling to nurse. Her weight was dropping. My super pro-breastfeeding pediatrician said she needed nutrition now and to give formula and try triple feeding. After nursing, give the baby either formula or what I could pump. She had me come back for a weight check in two days.

This is the norm. Yes, breastfeeding is strongly encouraged, but never at the cost of the baby or mother’s well-being.

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Anonymous wrote:HIPP is a great formula for mostly breastfed babies, OP. Don’t believe the propaganda. All three of my breastfed babies happily took the formula when needed.

You have to get your baby’s weight up. That trumps any and all of your desires.

OP here. I don’t feel comfortable with imported formula with the pandemic. I have no clue how it’s stored and if anything will be contaminated.

Oh FFS! This isn’t about you. It’s about the baby. You should probably also be checked for post party I’m depression bc you’re not thinking straight. That or you are incredibly sleep deprived bc you are feeding every 2 hours around the clock. That also is t good for the baby bc he’s not getting bouts of deep sleep.

Many pediatricians and experts have said to avoid imported formula.

Where are American formulas made? Most Overseas.

Most of them are made at the same factory in Vermont. Do some research.

No, they really are not mostly made in Vermont!!!

And the ingredients are almost always made and shipped from overseas.

Store brand formulas are manufactured by Perrigo, whose manufacturing plant is in Vermont. They also make Bobbie formula, which has been mentioned on this thread.

Anyway, the argument that American formulas are manufactured overseas and therefore are just as safe as European formulas is silly. European formulas are perfectly safe for infants - European babies are not malnourished. OP is just coming up with straw arguments because she is too selfish to put aside her own desires and parent the child she has, not the child she wanted.

A PP who brought up what happens in developing nations if a mother’s milk supply is low (and doesn’t have access to formula and clean water) was absolutely right. Those babies are malnourished at best, dead at worst.

This “breast is best” nonsense is terrible. My SIL (much older than me - my nephew is early 30s) told me how for the first 6 weeks of my nephew’s life she tried everything she could to breastfeed. At his 6 week appointment my nephew had barely regained his birth weight. The pediatrician told her “Give that baby a bottle”. And she did, and he thrived. That would NEVER happen now. Women are encouraged to pursue breastfeeding at all costs, and it’s sad. At least OPs pediatrician has told her to supplement.

OP - listen to the pediatrician. If your baby ends up with a failure to thrive diagnosis, it will be no one’s fault but yours, and you will have to live with that.

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Anonymous wrote:HIPP is a great formula for mostly breastfed babies, OP. Don’t believe the propaganda. All three of my breastfed babies happily took the formula when needed.

You have to get your baby’s weight up. That trumps any and all of your desires.

OP here. I don’t feel comfortable with imported formula with the pandemic. I have no clue how it’s stored and if anything will be contaminated.

Oh FFS! This isn’t about you. It’s about the baby. You should probably also be checked for post party I’m depression bc you’re not thinking straight. That or you are incredibly sleep deprived bc you are feeding every 2 hours around the clock. That also is t good for the baby bc he’s not getting bouts of deep sleep.

Many pediatricians and experts have said to avoid imported formula.

Where are American formulas made? Most Overseas.

Most of them are made at the same factory in Vermont. Do some research.

No, they really are not mostly made in Vermont!!!

And the ingredients are almost always made and shipped from overseas.

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Anonymous wrote:HIPP is a great formula for mostly breastfed babies, OP. Don’t believe the propaganda. All three of my breastfed babies happily took the formula when needed.

You have to get your baby’s weight up. That trumps any and all of your desires.

OP here. I don’t feel comfortable with imported formula with the pandemic. I have no clue how it’s stored and if anything will be contaminated.

Oh FFS! This isn’t about you. It’s about the baby. You should probably also be checked for post party I’m depression bc you’re not thinking straight. That or you are incredibly sleep deprived bc you are feeding every 2 hours around the clock. That also is t good for the baby bc he’s not getting bouts of deep sleep.

Many pediatricians and experts have said to avoid imported formula.

Where are American formulas made? Most Overseas.

Most of them are made at the same factory in Vermont. Do some research.

OP, you need to talk with your pediatrician again. When you fall into the failure to thrive category it is a very serious and dangerous issue. Your baby needs that nutrition now for brain development. Since you said you’ve tried multiple formulas with no success and refuseimported formula you need to triple feed and you need to start right away. Plus, I also think you need to talk to someone about postpartum depression as well. Feeding around the clock every two hours means you’re not getting enough sleep and possibly not thinking completely clearly. Help yourself to help your baby.

Let me tell you a little story. My oldest had issues with latching. I ended up having to pump in order to feed him, but no matter what I did I could not pump enough. We made the decision fairly quickly to start formula and it turns out that my child had a pretty severe milk protein allergy to boot. So, all the formulas we tried he would have massive diarrhea and vomit for hours. We finally put him on a hypoallergenic formula and low and behold he started gaining weight and was a happy baby. I hated that I could not breast-feed and I hated that I had to feed formula. However, I now have a teenager Who is doing fabulously in high school and is very rarely sick. Formula is OK. I’m going to tell you that it saved his life because it did.

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Anonymous wrote:Try mixing formula slowing into breastmilk.

Tak to a good LC. My son refusrred bottles when I went back to work and the LC had a large number of tricks. I'm sure a good one will have tricks for formula too (I personally saw Brittany Hunt who I think has a solo business now).

+1 Try mixing.

Start with 90% bm + 10% formula

My baby went through this. You keep trying to see what works. I know you said your baby would take breastmilk in the bottle but not formula. But maybe your baby will take formula in another type of bottle. Try varying temperatures, will your baby take cool formula or does he or she prefer warm formula. I know you tried five brands but try a sixth brand. Maybe your baby will take formula from another person asides from yourself. Check with your doctor but maybe putting one drop of non alcoholic vanilla into a bottle may work. This is the experimentation period and boy does it suck. Good luck.

As for the “this weight is normal for a bf baby”, I’ll believe OP’s pediatrician over a anonymous poster anytime.

Anonymous wrote:Try mixing formula slowing into breastmilk.

Tak to a good LC. My son refused bottles when I went back to work and the LC had a large number of tricks. I'm sure a good one will have tricks for formula too (I personally saw Brittany Hunt who I think has a solo business now).

+1 Try mixing.

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Anonymous wrote:How old is your baby and what is his weight?

OP here. He is 4.5 weeks old and is a little over 8lbs. He was born at born at 7lbs 1oz.

This sounds like a normal weight gain to me for a breastfed baby. If he lost weight at birth like most babies do, he was likely in the high 6lbs range. Over 8lbs would mean he gained at least 1lb in the last month which is decent.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually read your post unlike most of the other posters. If he's not taking formula, I would try pumping and then mixing the pumped milk with the formula to see if your baby will take that. That might help him accept the taste.

I understand why you would be uncomfortable buying European formula - it's not regulated and there are a lot of fakes out on the market. I would be scared of not getting authentic formula if I were ordering online, too.

UK HIPP is more strictly regulated than any American formula (most of which are made abroad). Go to a licensed distributor like formuland.com.

I tasted it. It does taste like breastmilk and was created as a supplement to breastfeeding. I highly recommend it.

Still not safe.

Total nonsense. You think all the UK mothers are risking their baby’s health? What about the millions of US mothers with thriving children who have used HIPP and Holle?

Your baby needs more nutrition than you are providing. Listen to your doctor!!! Do you seriously think your pediatrician would recommend a brand that isn’t safe for your baby?! You’re being stupid.

OP here. I don’t really care what others do. It’s what I feel most comfortable doing. What about recalls? HIPP had a recall a couple of months back. How will U.S. parents be notified? What if my baby takes it and I can’t get it anymore because of the supply chain issue? How can I be sure it’s not contaminated or stored properly? I’m not willing to give my baby formula that I can’t be sure is safe.

How would Similiac notify you? How do you know it’s stored properly?

You have to find a formula your baby will drink, OP, or he could face serious health risks.

Stop making excuses and supplement and pump.

It’s usually in the news when something is recalled here. We won’t be notified if it happened in another country until later.

Anonymous wrote:Are you sure he's refusing formula and not refusing a bottle? Try a supplemental nursing system while you're BF with formula in it. Medela makes a good one.

This is a really good point - my LC had me try nursing with a little tube right next to my nipple when my DD was having a hard time in the very beginning. This was someone at the breastfeeding center of NOVA - I think her name was Josie.

Fed is best. You need to feed your baby, this can be dangerous.

Anonymous wrote:I did what is called triple feeding: nursed for 20 minutes total on one side. Then I handed off the baby and pumped both sides for 10 minutes. Whatever I pumped was given to the baby. At first I got drops after pumping. But I did it religiously for a day and a half at every feeding. On the second day, I was pumping 5oz after I had just nursed for 20 minutes. Clearly my supply cranked up, and baby gained a lot in a few days. I did this with both kids.

Not going to lie—it was intense. But it was just for a couple of days. Once we did that weight check, I backed off that pumping session after nursing. Definitely needed help of spouse to hand off baby while I pumped right after nursing.

Op this pp has answered your question exactly. It is grueling but doesn’t involve supplementing. I hope you either soldier this option or try supplementing; your son needs food.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually read your post unlike most of the other posters. If he's not taking formula, I would try pumping and then mixing the pumped milk with the formula to see if your baby will take that. That might help him accept the taste.

I understand why you would be uncomfortable buying European formula - it's not regulated and there are a lot of fakes out on the market. I would be scared of not getting authentic formula if I were ordering online, too.

UK HIPP is more strictly regulated than any American formula (most of which are made abroad). Go to a licensed distributor like formuland.com.

I tasted it. It does taste like breastmilk and was created as a supplement to breastfeeding. I highly recommend it.

Still not safe.

Total nonsense. You think all the UK mothers are risking their baby’s health? What about the millions of US mothers with thriving children who have used HIPP and Holle?

Your baby needs more nutrition than you are providing. Listen to your doctor!!! Do you seriously think your pediatrician would recommend a brand that isn’t safe for your baby?! You’re being stupid.

OP here. I don’t really care what others do. It’s what I feel most comfortable doing. What about recalls? HIPP had a recall a couple of months back. How will U.S. parents be notified? What if my baby takes it and I can’t get it anymore because of the supply chain issue? How can I be sure it’s not contaminated or stored properly? I’m not willing to give my baby formula that I can’t be sure is safe.

How would Similiac notify you? How do you know it’s stored properly?

You have to find a formula your baby will drink, OP, or he could face serious health risks.

Stop making excuses and supplement and pump.