Anonymous
01/09/2022 13:04
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chevy Chase allows noncitizen residents to vote. It seems okay for them.
How many undocumented immigrants live in Chevy Chase? Probably a much smaller percentage of the population when compared to NYC would be my guess. I could be wrong though.
NYC didn’t extend voting to undocumented immigrants. Read any article before commenting.
“… would allow more than 800,000 noncitizen New Yorkers to register as members of political parties and vote in municipal elections, provided they are green card holders or have the right to work in the United States.“
Green card holders hoping to become citizens would be dumb to vote because there is a question on the citizenship form whether they have ever voted in any US election. You don’t want to open yourself up to additional questions from USCIS officers by saying yes
Anonymous
01/09/2022 13:01
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?
The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.
Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.
DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.
My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.
I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.
Anonymous
01/09/2022 13:00
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
I am a legal non citizen and I will never ever vote in an election until I get my citizenship.
Why? Because there is a question on the citizenship application if I did, and it is a red flag, opening up avenues for additional questions (it is illegal to vote in federal ones for a non citizen).
So, by offering this opportunity, the cities are inviting to vote only two additional categories of people:
- dumb ones who don’t think things through
- illegal ones who have no hopes of getting citizenship, like ever
It’s up to each reader to decide whether it’s good or bad for a city that such people vote
Why? Because there is a question on the citizenship application if I did, and it is a red flag, opening up avenues for additional questions (it is illegal to vote in federal ones for a non citizen).
So, by offering this opportunity, the cities are inviting to vote only two additional categories of people:
- dumb ones who don’t think things through
- illegal ones who have no hopes of getting citizenship, like ever
It’s up to each reader to decide whether it’s good or bad for a city that such people vote
Anonymous
12/13/2021 09:11
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?
The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.
Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.
DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.
My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.
Anonymous
12/12/2021 17:38
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?
The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.
Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.
What taxes do legal residents not pay yet benefit from? They pay income taxes. They pay property taxes. They pay sales taxes. They pay excise taxes. You are clueless.
Anonymous
12/12/2021 15:41
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?
The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.
Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.
DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.
Anonymous
12/12/2021 11:51
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:There should at the very least be a locality based “citizenship” test that reflects the knowledge that US educated natural born or naturalized citizens acquire as part of the process they generally follow to become legal voters. Public education and naturalization processes both support this.
Many US educated natural citizens know very little about how government works.
Anonymous
12/12/2021 11:50
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.
No it isn't. It happens in other countries too. Or are you too stupid to find this crap out for yourself?
Anonymous
12/11/2021 18:06
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chevy Chase allows noncitizen residents to vote. It seems okay for them.
How many undocumented immigrants live in Chevy Chase? Probably a much smaller percentage of the population when compared to NYC would be my guess. I could be wrong though.
NYC didn’t extend voting to undocumented immigrants. Read any article before commenting.
“… would allow more than 800,000 noncitizen New Yorkers to register as members of political parties and vote in municipal elections, provided they are green card holders or have the right to work in the United States.“
Anonymous
12/11/2021 17:00
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Is the US the only democratic country that limits voting to its citizens?
Anonymous
12/11/2021 12:13
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Given how much people blather on about how critical voting rights are it’s surprising how little NYC seems to value them.
Anonymous
12/11/2021 11:52
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From the article:
It would also cover “Dreamers" like Eva Santos, 32, who was brought to the U.S. by her parents at age 11 as an unauthorized immigrant, but wasn't able to vote like her friends or go to college when she turned 18.
“It was really hard for me to see how my other friends were able to make decisions for their future, and I couldn’t,” said Santos, now a community organizer.
More than a dozen communities across the United States currently allow noncitizens to vote, including 11 towns in Maryland and two in Vermont.
Will we be seeing more of this in the DMV? Sounds like it’s mostly just for local elections anyway.
https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-poised-voting-rights-061311911.html
The legislation https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4313327&GUID=DF600BDA-B675-41D8-A8BD-282C38DC4C62&Options=ID%7cText%7c&Search=1867
1507 ee "7. The following spaces to be filled in by the applicant:
(a). Space to indicate whether the applicant is a lawful permanent resident or is authorized to work in the United states and the statement “If you checked “no” in response to this question, do not complete this form.”
30 days with an address in NYC and authorized to work in the USA? UN is in NYC. I guess they all will now get to vote in the municpal elections of a major US City. Too funny and the real objection came from a politician cncened about the dilution of the AA, long term multi-genational, US citizens.
Right? 30 days in the US and you can vote in NYC. Phenomenal. Let’s see when China starts sending over voters to influence US elections. Russia no longer needs to hack into our elections once this progressive idea spreads.
Anonymous
12/11/2021 11:50
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
Anonymous wrote:Chevy Chase allows noncitizen residents to vote. It seems okay for them.
How many undocumented immigrants live in Chevy Chase? Probably a much smaller percentage of the population when compared to NYC would be my guess. I could be wrong though.
Anonymous
12/11/2021 09:28
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
I hope they raise taxes to the stratosphere and pass all sorts of progressive policies on par with Venezuela.
That will accelerate the decline of NY as its tax base continues to flee to states like FL and TN where they do not have this stupidity.
That will accelerate the decline of NY as its tax base continues to flee to states like FL and TN where they do not have this stupidity.
Anonymous
12/11/2021 09:28
Subject: NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens
There should at the very least be a locality based “citizenship” test that reflects the knowledge that US educated natural born or naturalized citizens acquire as part of the process they generally follow to become legal voters. Public education and naturalization processes both support this.