Anonymous
11/30/2021 14:24
Subject: Re:Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
It always amazes me that Americans don’t seem to understand that poverty breeds crime. The most dangerous countries in the world are ones where a few have an obscene amount of wealth while others live in poverty-stricken ghettos.
Anonymous
11/30/2021 14:04
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The. Problem. Is. The. F#ck!ng. Guns.
I’m anti-gun, but these incidents aren’t prompted by guns.
It’s standard thievery: mugging, assault, etc.
This will happen with or without guns (think: knives, hammers, fists). This happens all over Europe where they don’t have guns and simply use knives or hammers.
Candidly, I’m worried that the current racial and economic climate are fueling these incidents. And “rich” college kids are easy targets.
College kids do not get robbed and killed much in Europe. Have you lived there?
Lisbon, Madrid, Milan, bologna, Leipzig, Zurich, Vienna….
….public safety is one of the largest differences between us and Europe. There is a latent layer of violence and deviancy in the us that hangs like a cloud that is no where near the issue in Europe.
+1
Huh. Everyone I knew who did a semester abroad had a story about being robbed. Especially in Italy and Spain. And have you ever heard of Amanda Knox? The girl that was murdered in that case was a British student.
A quick search turned up many stories (listed below) and this interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/someone-is-targeting-american-students-abroad
ROME — If the shocking death of 19-year-old American study-abroad student Beau Solomon after a night of partying in Rome sounds all-too-familiar, that’s because it is.
Solomon is the fifth American-born student to die in the last five years on the streets of Rome’s historical city center. Three, like Solomon, were robbed first. The others, including Andrew Keith Carr, 21, and Han Kwang Lee, 19, were not, but they perished after falling from bridges or high walls after a night out on the town.
Countless others are regularly robbed, raped or attacked every year.
And who’s to blame? Apparently no one.
Roman police say it is the fault of the foreign universities for not adequately warning students in study abroad programs about the perils of alcohol consumption or about those who prey on novice drinkers and foreigners abroad.
******
Over-indulging aside, there is little doubt to anyone who lives in this city about the presence of predators lurking along the sidelines of almost any occasion to take advantage of all types of foreigners. Religious pilgrims get robbed on buses to the Vatican, young women are frequently drugged with date-rape pills, and young men, it would seem, get robbed and rolled on a regular basis.
“Everyone knows these thugs are out there,” a bartender at the G-Bar in the Trastevere district, where Solomon had his last drink, told The Daily Beast as she delivered a sloppy tray of shottini to another group of Americans who had recently arrived in Rome. “They usually have a girl that lures the boys away, and then their friends mug him. It happens a lot.”
A few more examples (I’m sure there are more, that’s just what popped up in the first two pages os search results):
A university student raped and murdered in England. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/11/man-pawel-relowicz-found-guilty-hull-student-libby-squire
Seven students at a German University were intentionally poisoned. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030592762/poisoning-students-germany-university-college-darmstadt
Maybe you don’t count Russia, but a student killed eight people at a Russian University. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/20/1038871894/gunman-russia-perm-state-university-shooting-updates
A teacher killed and two college professors given police protection in France. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56325254
When I was looking for these stories, I discovered that deaths from hazing is a big problem in Europe. Who knew?
A death in Belgium: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58106534
Apparently, there is widespread hazing at universities in Portugal (of everyone, not just fraternities). Six students died in one incident.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/world/europe/student-deaths-spark-debate-over-hazing-at-portugals-universities.html
https://www.ceu.edu/article/2020-07-08/central-european-university-mourns-death-student-raza-khan
Do a rate analysis and the magnitude in % is a marked difference.
If you have the ##s, provide them. In any case, pp said it doesn’t happen in Europe, this is purely a US phenomenon. That’s clearly not true.
Anonymous
11/30/2021 13:39
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
^^sorry meant the husband was killed.
Anonymous
11/30/2021 13:38
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Students were murdered in recent months at University of SC and Alabama. I know a kid who has been mugged at gunpoint twice at Salisbury.
College students are targets.
SC? I don’t think so.
There was a university administrator (College of Charleston) killed in downtown Charleston in the early morning while walking with her husband in 2020 or this year. They had just moved to Charleston and had not assumed her post yet. So, yes, it happens in SC.
College of Charleston provost's husband killed in robbery try; 2 teens arrested
Two teenagers have been arrested in the shooting death of the husband of a South Carolina college provost, Charleston police confirmed Friday.
Read in Fox News: https://apple.news/At7_sypx-Q-eeiq3pQPBvaQ
Anonymous
11/30/2021 13:16
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The. Problem. Is. The. F#ck!ng. Guns.
I’m anti-gun, but these incidents aren’t prompted by guns.
It’s standard thievery: mugging, assault, etc.
This will happen with or without guns (think: knives, hammers, fists). This happens all over Europe where they don’t have guns and simply use knives or hammers.
Candidly, I’m worried that the current racial and economic climate are fueling these incidents. And “rich” college kids are easy targets.
This is not universally true. In Urbana-Champaign Illinois, the two towns in the middle of corn fields that surround the UIUC campus has been plagued by drive-by shootings this year. The shootings are not motivated by thievery, but appear to symptomatic of a culture of extreme gun violence. A recent grad was shot in his car running errands after honking his horn at a fellow driver. And the first article linked below explains one recent incident that sounds pretty random. The campus proper has been free of gun fire, but it is surrounded by it regularly. A shooting on the main "campus town" boulevard involved 50 shots fired in August. It's not a matter of just giving up your wallet if you are mugged when there are this many bullets flying around.
https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/courts-police-fire/i-think-it-s-time-that-the-victims-come-out-to-light-drive-by-shooting/article_11b4dc7b-de24-510a-9f47-00eb8a32e45b.html
https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/courts-police-fire/extreme-ruthless-violence-forever-alters-life-of-ui-grad/article_3abfcdc4-837c-5e3e-b8ca-df37f1218787.html
https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2021/08/more-than-50-casings-recovered-at-shooting-on-green-st-near-2nd-st-champaign/
Anonymous
11/30/2021 08:09
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The. Problem. Is. The. F#ck!ng. Guns.
I’m anti-gun, but these incidents aren’t prompted by guns.
It’s standard thievery: mugging, assault, etc.
This will happen with or without guns (think: knives, hammers, fists). This happens all over Europe where they don’t have guns and simply use knives or hammers.
Candidly, I’m worried that the current racial and economic climate are fueling these incidents. And “rich” college kids are easy targets.
College kids do not get robbed and killed much in Europe. Have you lived there?
Lisbon, Madrid, Milan, bologna, Leipzig, Zurich, Vienna….
….public safety is one of the largest differences between us and Europe. There is a latent layer of violence and deviancy in the us that hangs like a cloud that is no where near the issue in Europe.
+1
Huh. Everyone I knew who did a semester abroad had a story about being robbed. Especially in Italy and Spain. And have you ever heard of Amanda Knox? The girl that was murdered in that case was a British student.
A quick search turned up many stories (listed below) and this interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/someone-is-targeting-american-students-abroad
ROME — If the shocking death of 19-year-old American study-abroad student Beau Solomon after a night of partying in Rome sounds all-too-familiar, that’s because it is.
Solomon is the fifth American-born student to die in the last five years on the streets of Rome’s historical city center. Three, like Solomon, were robbed first. The others, including Andrew Keith Carr, 21, and Han Kwang Lee, 19, were not, but they perished after falling from bridges or high walls after a night out on the town.
Countless others are regularly robbed, raped or attacked every year.
And who’s to blame? Apparently no one.
Roman police say it is the fault of the foreign universities for not adequately warning students in study abroad programs about the perils of alcohol consumption or about those who prey on novice drinkers and foreigners abroad.
******
Over-indulging aside, there is little doubt to anyone who lives in this city about the presence of predators lurking along the sidelines of almost any occasion to take advantage of all types of foreigners. Religious pilgrims get robbed on buses to the Vatican, young women are frequently drugged with date-rape pills, and young men, it would seem, get robbed and rolled on a regular basis.
“Everyone knows these thugs are out there,” a bartender at the G-Bar in the Trastevere district, where Solomon had his last drink, told The Daily Beast as she delivered a sloppy tray of shottini to another group of Americans who had recently arrived in Rome. “They usually have a girl that lures the boys away, and then their friends mug him. It happens a lot.”
A few more examples (I’m sure there are more, that’s just what popped up in the first two pages os search results):
A university student raped and murdered in England. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/11/man-pawel-relowicz-found-guilty-hull-student-libby-squire
Seven students at a German University were intentionally poisoned. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030592762/poisoning-students-germany-university-college-darmstadt
Maybe you don’t count Russia, but a student killed eight people at a Russian University. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/20/1038871894/gunman-russia-perm-state-university-shooting-updates
A teacher killed and two college professors given police protection in France. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56325254
When I was looking for these stories, I discovered that deaths from hazing is a big problem in Europe. Who knew?
A death in Belgium: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58106534
Apparently, there is widespread hazing at universities in Portugal (of everyone, not just fraternities). Six students died in one incident.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/world/europe/student-deaths-spark-debate-over-hazing-at-portugals-universities.html
https://www.ceu.edu/article/2020-07-08/central-european-university-mourns-death-student-raza-khan
Do a rate analysis and the magnitude in % is a marked difference.
Anonymous
11/30/2021 07:56
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a good time to remind your college kids (or kids in general) that struggling with a robber is never a good idea. No items are worth more than their lives.
I've definitely had that talk a few times with my DD who goes to college in NYC.
Actually, being armed and aware is far better than leaving your life in the hands of a criminal sociopath.
Thanks Wayne LaPierre! You’re great at being the NRA’s b*tch!
Anonymous
11/30/2021 07:49
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-58833412.amp
Knife attacks are a thing in the UK…probably because the criminals can’t easily access guns. Regardless, knives kill people, too.
Some of the most twisted crime stories I’ve read happened in the UK (lots of stranger rape and murder cases in Scotland).
Don’t fool yourself into believing other places are immune from this stuff.
Knife attacks are a thing in the UK…probably because the criminals can’t easily access guns. Regardless, knives kill people, too.
Some of the most twisted crime stories I’ve read happened in the UK (lots of stranger rape and murder cases in Scotland).
Don’t fool yourself into believing other places are immune from this stuff.
Anonymous
11/30/2021 07:46
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Students were murdered in recent months at University of SC and Alabama. I know a kid who has been mugged at gunpoint twice at Salisbury.
College students are targets.
SC? I don’t think so.
https://www.wltx.com/amp/article/news/local/michael-keen-found-dead-coroner-confirms/101-b64904ad-9d5e-40df-b506-5c7a31f0c042
SC student found dead at quarry after walking home from restaurant.
My son went to visit a buddy at USC last month, and they were nearly jumped. A car with thugs rolled up, thugs hopped out of the car with masks, and approached—but two other cars pulled up including one that looked like a police car…which scared the thugs off. Happened early evening.
Anonymous
11/30/2021 06:43
Subject: Re:Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
I went to college in Philly 30 years ago. Temple area was always terrible and lots of crime.
Anonymous
11/29/2021 22:09
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The. Problem. Is. The. F#ck!ng. Guns.
I’m anti-gun, but these incidents aren’t prompted by guns.
It’s standard thievery: mugging, assault, etc.
This will happen with or without guns (think: knives, hammers, fists). This happens all over Europe where they don’t have guns and simply use knives or hammers.
Candidly, I’m worried that the current racial and economic climate are fueling these incidents. And “rich” college kids are easy targets.
College kids do not get robbed and killed much in Europe. Have you lived there?
Lisbon, Madrid, Milan, bologna, Leipzig, Zurich, Vienna….
….public safety is one of the largest differences between us and Europe. There is a latent layer of violence and deviancy in the us that hangs like a cloud that is no where near the issue in Europe.
+1
Huh. Everyone I knew who did a semester abroad had a story about being robbed. Especially in Italy and Spain. And have you ever heard of Amanda Knox? The girl that was murdered in that case was a British student.
A quick search turned up many stories (listed below) and this interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/someone-is-targeting-american-students-abroad
ROME — If the shocking death of 19-year-old American study-abroad student Beau Solomon after a night of partying in Rome sounds all-too-familiar, that’s because it is.
Solomon is the fifth American-born student to die in the last five years on the streets of Rome’s historical city center. Three, like Solomon, were robbed first. The others, including Andrew Keith Carr, 21, and Han Kwang Lee, 19, were not, but they perished after falling from bridges or high walls after a night out on the town.
Countless others are regularly robbed, raped or attacked every year.
And who’s to blame? Apparently no one.
Roman police say it is the fault of the foreign universities for not adequately warning students in study abroad programs about the perils of alcohol consumption or about those who prey on novice drinkers and foreigners abroad.
******
Over-indulging aside, there is little doubt to anyone who lives in this city about the presence of predators lurking along the sidelines of almost any occasion to take advantage of all types of foreigners. Religious pilgrims get robbed on buses to the Vatican, young women are frequently drugged with date-rape pills, and young men, it would seem, get robbed and rolled on a regular basis.
“Everyone knows these thugs are out there,” a bartender at the G-Bar in the Trastevere district, where Solomon had his last drink, told The Daily Beast as she delivered a sloppy tray of shottini to another group of Americans who had recently arrived in Rome. “They usually have a girl that lures the boys away, and then their friends mug him. It happens a lot.”
A few more examples (I’m sure there are more, that’s just what popped up in the first two pages os search results):
A university student raped and murdered in England. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/11/man-pawel-relowicz-found-guilty-hull-student-libby-squire
Seven students at a German University were intentionally poisoned. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030592762/poisoning-students-germany-university-college-darmstadt
Maybe you don’t count Russia, but a student killed eight people at a Russian University. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/20/1038871894/gunman-russia-perm-state-university-shooting-updates
A teacher killed and two college professors given police protection in France. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56325254
When I was looking for these stories, I discovered that deaths from hazing is a big problem in Europe. Who knew?
A death in Belgium: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58106534
Apparently, there is widespread hazing at universities in Portugal (of everyone, not just fraternities). Six students died in one incident.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/world/europe/student-deaths-spark-debate-over-hazing-at-portugals-universities.html
https://www.ceu.edu/article/2020-07-08/central-european-university-mourns-death-student-raza-khan
^^^That last article was there because I thought it was interesting — he was missing, found dead, how sad, no more details. A US university wouldn’t get away with that.
Anonymous
11/29/2021 22:06
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The. Problem. Is. The. F#ck!ng. Guns.
I’m anti-gun, but these incidents aren’t prompted by guns.
It’s standard thievery: mugging, assault, etc.
This will happen with or without guns (think: knives, hammers, fists). This happens all over Europe where they don’t have guns and simply use knives or hammers.
Candidly, I’m worried that the current racial and economic climate are fueling these incidents. And “rich” college kids are easy targets.
College kids do not get robbed and killed much in Europe. Have you lived there?
Lisbon, Madrid, Milan, bologna, Leipzig, Zurich, Vienna….
….public safety is one of the largest differences between us and Europe. There is a latent layer of violence and deviancy in the us that hangs like a cloud that is no where near the issue in Europe.
+1
Huh. Everyone I knew who did a semester abroad had a story about being robbed. Especially in Italy and Spain. And have you ever heard of Amanda Knox? The girl that was murdered in that case was a British student.
A quick search turned up many stories (listed below) and this interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/someone-is-targeting-american-students-abroad
ROME — If the shocking death of 19-year-old American study-abroad student Beau Solomon after a night of partying in Rome sounds all-too-familiar, that’s because it is.
Solomon is the fifth American-born student to die in the last five years on the streets of Rome’s historical city center. Three, like Solomon, were robbed first. The others, including Andrew Keith Carr, 21, and Han Kwang Lee, 19, were not, but they perished after falling from bridges or high walls after a night out on the town.
Countless others are regularly robbed, raped or attacked every year.
And who’s to blame? Apparently no one.
Roman police say it is the fault of the foreign universities for not adequately warning students in study abroad programs about the perils of alcohol consumption or about those who prey on novice drinkers and foreigners abroad.
******
Over-indulging aside, there is little doubt to anyone who lives in this city about the presence of predators lurking along the sidelines of almost any occasion to take advantage of all types of foreigners. Religious pilgrims get robbed on buses to the Vatican, young women are frequently drugged with date-rape pills, and young men, it would seem, get robbed and rolled on a regular basis.
“Everyone knows these thugs are out there,” a bartender at the G-Bar in the Trastevere district, where Solomon had his last drink, told The Daily Beast as she delivered a sloppy tray of shottini to another group of Americans who had recently arrived in Rome. “They usually have a girl that lures the boys away, and then their friends mug him. It happens a lot.”
A few more examples (I’m sure there are more, that’s just what popped up in the first two pages os search results):
A university student raped and murdered in England. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/11/man-pawel-relowicz-found-guilty-hull-student-libby-squire
Seven students at a German University were intentionally poisoned. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030592762/poisoning-students-germany-university-college-darmstadt
Maybe you don’t count Russia, but a student killed eight people at a Russian University. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/20/1038871894/gunman-russia-perm-state-university-shooting-updates
A teacher killed and two college professors given police protection in France. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56325254
When I was looking for these stories, I discovered that deaths from hazing is a big problem in Europe. Who knew?
A death in Belgium: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58106534
Apparently, there is widespread hazing at universities in Portugal (of everyone, not just fraternities). Six students died in one incident.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/world/europe/student-deaths-spark-debate-over-hazing-at-portugals-universities.html
https://www.ceu.edu/article/2020-07-08/central-european-university-mourns-death-student-raza-khan
Anonymous
11/29/2021 20:02
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The. Problem. Is. The. F#ck!ng. Guns.
I’m anti-gun, but these incidents aren’t prompted by guns.
It’s standard thievery: mugging, assault, etc.
This will happen with or without guns (think: knives, hammers, fists). This happens all over Europe where they don’t have guns and simply use knives or hammers.
Candidly, I’m worried that the current racial and economic climate are fueling these incidents. And “rich” college kids are easy targets.
College kids do not get robbed and killed much in Europe. Have you lived there?
Lisbon, Madrid, Milan, bologna, Leipzig, Zurich, Vienna….
….public safety is one of the largest differences between us and Europe. There is a latent layer of violence and deviancy in the us that hangs like a cloud that is no where near the issue in Europe.
+1
Anonymous
11/29/2021 19:05
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Students were murdered in recent months at University of SC and Alabama. I know a kid who has been mugged at gunpoint twice at Salisbury.
College students are targets.
What murder at Alabama? There was one student found drowned recently at Alabama, but it’s not been determined that foul play was involved.
Anonymous
11/29/2021 19:04
Subject: Temple U student shot and killed in off campus mid-day robbery.
Anonymous wrote:Students were murdered in recent months at University of SC and Alabama. I know a kid who has been mugged at gunpoint twice at Salisbury.
College students are targets.
SC? I don’t think so.