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Anonymous wrote:They are saying to themselves that you are unreasonable and don't want to see them because you won't fly with 2 unvaccinated kids who are at incredibly low risk of any kind of serious covid.

This may be so, but you have to wonder what kind of pathologically selfish parents abandon their children and move to opposite side of the country. I'm sorry OP.

Ha ha… like every Jewish family I know in my New England hometown, the parents retired to Florida. Their children are thrilled to visit them in the winters.

Only a 2-hr nonstop flight there

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are saying to themselves that you are unreasonable and don't want to see them because you won't fly with 2 unvaccinated kids who are at incredibly low risk of any kind of serious covid.

This may be so, but you have to wonder what kind of pathologically selfish parents abandon their children and move to opposite side of the country. I'm sorry OP.

“Abandon” adult children? Are you serious?!

Yes, I am serious. It's abandoning their grandchildren too. They need to come watch all the normal grandparents in my neighborhood pushing strollers, taking grandchildren to the park. I spent so much of my childhood with my dear grandmothers. Church, Sunday dinners, summers, all the holidays, camping, knitting and painting together, random doc appointments, all sorts of time together. My life would not have been the same without them.

I just visited my mom and siblings for a week after almost two years. I left my kids and husband and flew across the country to them after getting a booster. I stayed at a hotel and spent wonderful quality time with each of them. This would not have happened if I didn’t make the effort. Don’t wait until you lose one of them, OP.

I don't know, but I think I would respect their choices. How long do we have to live for others? I am close to done myself -- 62 here.

Anonymous wrote:My father is nearly there. He’s 71 and healthy but clearly has hypochondria and anxiety issues.

We flew to Europe to see him and my mother, with our unvaccinated child. Twice! 4 flights! We isolated for a few days at AirBnBs after the flight and took PCR tests before visiting them. He was OK with that level of caution.

Now he has his booster, I invited him to come spend the Holidays in the US, but I’m afraid he might not come.

If his travel days are over because of mental health issues, zI’m glad we still have the means to visit. This is what you do for loved ones, OP. Who knows how much lucid years they have left?

It’s not hypochondria and anxiety to be concerned acout Covid. Flying and traveling is a risk.

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Anonymous wrote:They are saying to themselves that you are unreasonable and don't want to see them because you won't fly with 2 unvaccinated kids who are at incredibly low risk of any kind of serious covid.

This may be so, but you have to wonder what kind of pathologically selfish parents abandon their children and move to opposite side of the country. I'm sorry OP.

Ha ha… like every Jewish family I know in my New England hometown, the parents retired to Florida. Their children are thrilled to visit them in the winters.

My father is nearly there. He’s 71 and healthy but clearly has hypochondria and anxiety issues.

We flew to Europe to see him and my mother, with our unvaccinated child. Twice! 4 flights! We isolated for a few days at AirBnBs after the flight and took PCR tests before visiting them. He was OK with that level of caution.

Now he has his booster, I invited him to come spend the Holidays in the US, but I’m afraid he might not come.

If his travel days are over because of mental health issues, zI’m glad we still have the means to visit. This is what you do for loved ones, OP. Who knows how much lucid years they have left?

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Anonymous wrote:It's much easier for them to come here.

Easier for whom?

Umm… For everyone! Come on. In what universe is it easier for 4 people to travel than for 2??? Especially if the 4 includes a 2 and 4 year old. You guys want to argue just for the sake of arguing.

Nope. Some of us recognize that she’s putting all of the responsibilities on her parents and whining to a bunch of strangers, because her parents won’t do what she wants them to do : to come to her home on her timetable, presumably assuming all of the expenses, hassles, and, yes, risks of traveling to wherever she moved to and decided to raise her kids. There are multiple options if the OP wants to see her parents, and even multiple options if she wants her kids to see her parents.

In what universe do you not see that the risks and difficulties associated with flying —or traveling in general, let alone during a pandemic, are disproportionately onerous for older people than for younger ones?

I’m curious, PP. Have you ever traveled while elderly? Or even traveled with two elderly people?

Why can't you visit by yourself, without the kids?

The media has blathered on endlessly that 60 is the new 90, that nobody has a functional immune system after 65 and you are basically a vulnerable elderly. And then you wonder why your parents are affected mentally.

Anonymous wrote:We flew to the west coast this summer when the numbers were ultra low. Why didn't you? Be real, you also aren't visiting them due to your fear real or not.

This. Or OP feels immaturely that her parents need to prove their love by being willing to come.

We flew to the west coast this summer when the numbers were ultra low. Why didn't you? Be real, you also aren't visiting them due to your fear real or not.

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Anonymous wrote:They are saying to themselves that you are unreasonable and don't want to see them because you won't fly with 2 unvaccinated kids who are at incredibly low risk of any kind of serious covid.

This may be so, but you have to wonder what kind of pathologically selfish parents abandon their children and move to opposite side of the country. I'm sorry OP.

“Abandon” adult children? Are you serious?!

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Anonymous wrote:It's much easier for them to come here.

Easier for whom?

Umm… For everyone! Come on. In what universe is it easier for 4 people to travel than for 2??? Especially if the 4 includes a 2 and 4 year old. You guys want to argue just for the sake of arguing.

It's no big deal. Zoom grandparents is pretty good, considering. 70 is not that old, they'll be able to travel or have visitors within a few years with much lower risk, they will likely still be in fairly good health then. Also, your kids are so small it won't hurt them to not meet their grandparents in person for a year or two or even more. My memories of my grandparents start about age 6 or 7, have no idea what we did together before then. Relax OP. It'll all work out fine.