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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more.

And in the 80s, people were sure Satanists were running day care rings. It's all fear mongering nonsense.

No, those are news articles with evidence of people who worship Satan killing people. I don’t think the people who were killed and their families think satanic killings are nonsense.

Those aren't"news articles" and aren't even evidence that satanic cults killed these people. Read the links and then do some more googling on the perpetrators and victims.

Briefly, the first guy was a psychopath. If you read about the poor guy Mark Killroy, the people who tortured and killed him were not "satanists." They were a murderous group/cult involved in drug smuggling, magic spells and something closer to voodoo.

I think actual cults of people who worship Satan and murder people are non-existent or rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more.

And in the 80s, people were sure Satanists were running day care rings. It's all fear mongering nonsense.

No, those are news articles with evidence of people who worship Satan killing people. I don’t think the people who were killed and their families think satanic killings are nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if you are serious, Satan and Satanism represent (some would say cause) humanity’s worst impulses. We’re not talking about cute witch covens or crunchy pagans. We’re talking about people who abuse their kids or parents, who steal from retirees, who are mass murderers, and so on.

Religious folks call it Satan; secular/atheists call it sociopathy ir psychopathy. But they all find common ground in judging mass murders to be bad.

I don't think there is any proof that mass murderers or child abusers are Satanists. In fact, prisons are full of religious people.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more.

Anonymous wrote:1) The actual Church of Satan is a secular humanist organization whose primary goal is to undermine attempts by right-wing christian fundamentalist groups to turn the US into a theocracy (look up the Satanist response to the Texas anti-abortion laws for a perfect example).

2) Yes, there are some people who suffer from severe, untreated mental illness who commit horrible acts and claim to do so in the name of Satan.

3) There are also people who commit horrible acts and claim to do so in the name of Jesus. These people, despite what many religious people will tell you, are not categorically different from those who commit the same acts in the name of Satan.

For example, a close friend is an assistant district attorney who has handled several child sexual abuse cases. One abuser was a devout Christian who molested a number of boys and his M.O. was to tell the boys how important sexual purity is and then demonstrate that touching their genitals is evil and a sin against Jesus…by touching their genitals. He would proceed to molest them and then punish them if they appeared to enjoy it.

Is this man a true follower of Christianity? He says he is. He goes to church 3 times a week. Pays his offerings, had a church wedding to a devout Christian woman and committed all his acts of abuse in his good Christian home or in the church building itself, referencing bible verses and Christian teachings literally as he molested prepubescent children.

A lot of Christians would say that he is not a “real” Christian, but when someone who claims to worship Satan then does something equally vile in pursuit of that belief, they say, “See, we told you Satan is a powerful leader of a real religion competing with Christianity for the souls of men!”

My take is that people who are driven to commit evil and abusive acts will grab on to any convenient ideology to justify themselves. Blaming everything evil on Satan is a way to absolve yourself of responsibility for trying to combat evil. People don’t commit child abuse and murder because the devil made them do it. They do so because they have the right combination of mental health issues, trauma and opportunity to act out.

When we fight to normalize and increase access to mental health care, or to provide financial logistical and educational resources to parents that reduce neglect and trauma for at-risk children, the result is a decrease in violence and abuse in society. But if we don’t want to do those things, saying that only Jesus can stop evil is a good excuse for not trying.

—Christian woman

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more.

And in the 80s, people were sure Satanists were running day care rings. It's all fear mongering nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't. The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

+1. The top pp clearly deals in black-and-white stereotypes, deliberate misunderstanding, and exaggerations. It’s a child’s view.

it's not hard to find hateful stuff people do in the name of religion. at least bad guys don't pretend to be good...

This. If you compare the body counts of Christianity and Satanism, it’s hard to argue Christianity isn’t the evil one

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference.

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad.

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told.

Anonymous wrote:I will take Satanism vs Trumpism and the Lying GOP any day !

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, It's always good to bring the devil into your life. Like life isn't hard enough already!