Anonymous
10/30/2021 10:31
Subject: Re:ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No- playing time is not a democracy once you hit ECNL.
Generally defenders are in most of the game. If you are a 'sub' for a defender position you might get little playing time--like 10 minutes.
For the rest of the positions, if your kid is not starting you are likely getting half a game (or maybe less if it is a very competitive game).
ECNL sub rules mean that Coach is not incented to remove the starters because he can't put them back in if necessary later in the half. So, it does create a disincentive to take out the starters too early.
The equal playing time was a thing in U-12 and below, but not once you hit ECNL. At that point, its whatever combination of players the coach thinks can win the game (it's no longer just about development)....
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It is always about development. Nobody gives a rats rear end about who wins or loses a ECNL game. It is pretty simple really. Everyone plays at least half of every game. Every time. Don't want to play a kid half the game? Fine. No problem. Just do not put them on the team. See how easy that is? What? You want the kid to pay $3000? Then if you want the money play the kid at least half of every game. The coaches all know this already.
You must be from BRYC. The rest of the teams in the league care. Sorrynotsorry.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 10:30
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
You are the Customer.
The horrible thing is you are really in a worse position than if your son had a contract at professional club. There he would be viewed as an asset and if showed any potential, the club would get him playing time somewhere if he was not ready for first team - reserve team, loan, lower level league etc. . There are people actively managing those situations. If he starts showing well on that team then there is a path back to the first team.
At some of these ECNL clubs, they will just write off the players they don't see contributing to winning now and some coaches just don't want to be bothered with those players. They want to have the big rosters for the money, but several do not have any decent reserve or second team situation to get players good minutes if they are not playing on the first team. In many cases these bench players also receive no support from the coaches and club and feel marginalized.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 10:18
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
You are the Customer.
While you’re the customer, you kid is their employee who is not paid anything to make the club revenue and indirectly the coach’s salary. They work for the club to offer a service to you for which you pay for. Kinda warped.
Anyhow, yes they have an obligation to develop your kid. That happens mostly in practice, not games. Having said that, you have to be smart and not sign your kid up for a 24 roster team where they are clearly not in the top 16 players. Or, at least if you do, have them dual rostered to the B team where they’ll get playing time. Also, if your kid is not being developed, then move them to a different team/club.
+100
I would suggest development occurs in practice; the results of that development is seen in games. If the consistent improvement doesn't occur or if that development doesn't translate to game play, that is why your kid is a sub.
Thinking the club owes every kid at least 50% playing time means the parent doesn't understand the club and how competition works. Ask the coach and management if the coach is obligated to give Billy/Jane (if they're 13+) 50%; they should laugh at you. Stop living through your kid's achievements or lack thereof.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 09:53
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
You are the Customer.
Bring your money elsewhere, then, customer, but don’t force your not-great player to take minutes away from my much-better player. Your kid is a sub. Mine is a starter, deal. And you know what? If my kid gets less than 80 minutes a game, *I’ll* take my money elsewhere. The club knows that, and they want to keep me and my kid more than they want to keep you and your kid.
Might sound harsh, but it's the truth! The top players want the minutes/deserve the minutes and typically are not too pleased if they are subbed out, unless completely gassed or hurt.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 09:51
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Your kid is the customer and their dues not their play earn the coach his salary. Your U13 or 14 player isn’t developing on the bench, move down a team or move clubs if you want them to develop. Stay put if they are fine not playing, but realize they will be the ones cut if more intriguing players show up to tryouts.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 09:00
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
You are the Customer.
While you’re the customer, you kid is their employee who is not paid anything to make the club revenue and indirectly the coach’s salary. They work for the club to offer a service to you for which you pay for. Kinda warped.
Anyhow, yes they have an obligation to develop your kid. That happens mostly in practice, not games. Having said that, you have to be smart and not sign your kid up for a 24 roster team where they are clearly not in the top 16 players. Or, at least if you do, have them dual rostered to the B team where they’ll get playing time. Also, if your kid is not being developed, then move them to a different team/club.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 07:49
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
You are the Customer.
Bring your money elsewhere, then, customer, but don’t force your not-great player to take minutes away from my much-better player. Your kid is a sub. Mine is a starter, deal. And you know what? If my kid gets less than 80 minutes a game, *I’ll* take my money elsewhere. The club knows that, and they want to keep me and my kid more than they want to keep you and your kid.
Anonymous
10/30/2021 07:30
Subject: Re:ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:No- playing time is not a democracy once you hit ECNL.
Generally defenders are in most of the game. If you are a 'sub' for a defender position you might get little playing time--like 10 minutes.
For the rest of the positions, if your kid is not starting you are likely getting half a game (or maybe less if it is a very competitive game).
ECNL sub rules mean that Coach is not incented to remove the starters because he can't put them back in if necessary later in the half. So, it does create a disincentive to take out the starters too early.
The equal playing time was a thing in U-12 and below, but not once you hit ECNL. At that point, its whatever combination of players the coach thinks can win the game (it's no longer just about development)....
[/quote\
It is always about development. Nobody gives a rats rear end about who wins or loses a ECNL game. It is pretty simple really. Everyone plays at least half of every game. Every time. Don't want to play a kid half the game? Fine. No problem. Just do not put them on the team. See how easy that is? What? You want the kid to pay $3000? Then if you want the money play the kid at least half of every game. The coaches all know this already.
Anonymous
10/29/2021 21:44
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
You are the Customer.
Anonymous
10/29/2021 21:44
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
If they offered your player a spot on their ECNL team and took your money, they have an obligation to develop them.
Anonymous
10/29/2021 20:17
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
And have them tell you to drop to a lower team for more playing time.
This *1000.
Anonymous
10/29/2021 18:38
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
And have them tell you to drop to a lower team for more playing time.
Anonymous
10/29/2021 18:10
Subject: ECNL playing minutes
Please remember you are a paying customer. You are paying the club to develop your player. If your son or daughter is not getting close to 50% game time, you absolutely have the right to bring it to the AGC and/or TD.
Anonymous
10/29/2021 18:05
Subject: Re:ECNL playing minutes
No- playing time is not a democracy once you hit ECNL.
Generally defenders are in most of the game. If you are a 'sub' for a defender position you might get little playing time--like 10 minutes.
For the rest of the positions, if your kid is not starting you are likely getting half a game (or maybe less if it is a very competitive game).
ECNL sub rules mean that Coach is not incented to remove the starters because he can't put them back in if necessary later in the half. So, it does create a disincentive to take out the starters too early.
The equal playing time was a thing in U-12 and below, but not once you hit ECNL. At that point, its whatever combination of players the coach thinks can win the game (it's no longer just about development)....
Generally defenders are in most of the game. If you are a 'sub' for a defender position you might get little playing time--like 10 minutes.
For the rest of the positions, if your kid is not starting you are likely getting half a game (or maybe less if it is a very competitive game).
ECNL sub rules mean that Coach is not incented to remove the starters because he can't put them back in if necessary later in the half. So, it does create a disincentive to take out the starters too early.
The equal playing time was a thing in U-12 and below, but not once you hit ECNL. At that point, its whatever combination of players the coach thinks can win the game (it's no longer just about development)....
Anonymous
10/29/2021 14:27
Subject: Re:ECNL playing minutes
Anonymous wrote:Practice as much as you want but only live matches will help you develop for REAL games. If your kid does not play much then you either need to move clubs (where he can start and play) or join a second team. I know many boys who are subs on an ECNL team (want the resources and connections) but also play on a team that is part of a lower league and starts for that team. Yes, it is a lot of soccer but that is really the only way to get better and hope that he can move up as a starter on the ECNL team.
I don't know, if the kid is barely playing really hard tackles in practice may help open a spot.