Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 20:14     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My husband from the Midwest sometimes says things like this, and it really grates. “The washer needs fixed.” Ugh.


I work with people from Utah who do this.


I know a lot of Pittsburgh transplants in Utah. Westinghouse moved a ton of people back in the day.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 20:13     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Linguist here- what about “might could”? Anyone use that, and for the grammar mavens, does that grate, too? As in, I might could go to the store (meaning, Maybe, I’m the future I might…”).
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 20:12     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:There's also such a thing as horrible usage of the English language.


Dialects are dialects. It has nothing to do with "proper grammar." Lots of people speak in a dialect, but write correctly, or switch from dialect to snobby English depending on the crowd.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 20:08     Subject: Re:“They need cleaned up”
I lived in the Midwest and the South for years and never heard this.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:58     Subject: Re:“They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't mind slang and regional speak, but I don't like this phrasing, because I get confused at what's being said. Past tense, present tense? I wouldn't know what to think.


It's future imperfect continuous.


No way dude it's Subjunctive


Without to be, it is subjunctive. With to be, it is future imperfect continuous. OP isn't familiar with the subjunctive and needs a familiar tense to process the sentence.


Oh I see what you are saying. I also enjoy the construction I heard from someone in NC "Oh I used'ta could" meaning I used to be able to do something.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:56     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:I’m a linguist and when people use these things I love it! The samification of American English is a drag. Give me more regional oddities!


+1

Not a linguist, but I writer. I love this flavor! I’ve never heard this one before, though.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:55     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a linguist and when people use these things I love it! The samification of American English is a drag. Give me more regional oddities!


+1



Yay to the linguist! I feel the same way. I LOVE the differences. Appalachia, for example, has some interesting sayings and pronunciations--even now!
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:54     Subject: Re:“They need cleaned up”
Sounds fine to me.

My English professor spouse uses it sometimes. Used in some groups and not others. Code switching.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:50     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:I’m a linguist and when people use these things I love it! The samification of American English is a drag. Give me more regional oddities!


+1
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:48     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Not that it matters, this issue was discussed before.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/120/538110.page
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:35     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My husband from the Midwest sometimes says things like this, and it really grates. “The washer needs fixed.” Ugh.


I work with people from Utah who do this.


Where are the from? I know Californians who say they are going to “warsh the clothes” but that’s because they are Ohio transplants.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:30     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:My husband from the Midwest sometimes says things like this, and it really grates. “The washer needs fixed.” Ugh.


I work with people from Utah who do this.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:26     Subject: Re:“They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't mind slang and regional speak, but I don't like this phrasing, because I get confused at what's being said. Past tense, present tense? I wouldn't know what to think.


It's future imperfect continuous.


No way dude it's Subjunctive


Without to be, it is subjunctive. With to be, it is future imperfect continuous. OP isn't familiar with the subjunctive and needs a familiar tense to process the sentence.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:10     Subject: “They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s regional. And it sounds fine to my Chicago ears!


None of my Chicago family say this. We are half north siders and half south siders. There are plenty of Chicago regionalisms but this is not one of them. If you want to talk about the "frunch room" or dese, dem, and dose, then that's another thing.

I grew up in Wisconsin (Milwaukee) and people there don't really say "they need cleaned up", either. Yes on dese, der, dem, and dose. Also, I'm "goin'" to the store "real quick,", hopefully the "stop n' go lights" don't hold me up for too long. Or no?



It might be a midwest thing but more OH and PA than say WI, IL or IA.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2021 19:10     Subject: Re:“They need cleaned up”
Anonymous wrote:Isn't this how Gary and Susannah got together on Thirtysomething?


Yes! I immediately thought of that interaction too!