Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:56
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Refs should always be held accountable for mistakes just like every other human being paid a wage for a service.
Yes, USSF encourages crew self reflection postgame which you often see. In perfect times there are mentors and assessments as well. This is all accountability with a constructive focus on inprovement.
As opposed to: postgame this weekend when a parent approached me and put a hand on my shoulder to ‘apologize’ for his profanity that he said Was caused by my bad call and questioned: “you called advantage and we scored then you called the goal back for offsides, how is that fair? “
Not much of an apology. And if I wasn’t wearing the badge representing USSF and the club and kids I would have normally said get your hand off me and don’t ever touch me.
Fun way to start a day with parent privilege
Yes to bold, and this was said in a similar ref thread. You're not at World Cup games, try to adjust your expectations.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:30
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our rec league has one center ref and two line judges for all our U11 games. I can't imagine paying travel money and having no ref. That's bizarre.
My son refs and will only do rec league games.
I ref and some of the absolute worst behavior I've encountered has been in rec league games.
Really find that interesting as I have had kids in both and travel has always seemed much much worse to me.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:29
Subject: Where are the referees?
Watched a game yesterday. The team I was supporting got the go-ahead goal on what I thought was offsides. Should I or a parent on the other side be on here complaining about the refs?
Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:27
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our rec league has one center ref and two line judges for all our U11 games. I can't imagine paying travel money and having no ref. That's bizarre.
My son refs and will only do rec league games.
I ref and some of the absolute worst behavior I've encountered has been in rec league games.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:16
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Our rec league has one center ref and two line judges for all our U11 games. I can't imagine paying travel money and having no ref. That's bizarre.
My son refs and will only do rec league games.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:12
Subject: Re:Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Our ECNL game was cancelled this past weekend because there was no ref.
I thought ECNL was the shyt and everybody died to be part of the wonders of that eliteness. loL?
How much are the center ref fees for ECNL?
Anonymous
10/25/2021 13:09
Subject: Where are the referees?
Our rec league has one center ref and two line judges for all our U11 games. I can't imagine paying travel money and having no ref. That's bizarre.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:59
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP, tha'ts still not excuse why your DD's team couldn't defend a corner kick. The team also had about 75 other minutes to score/make up for it.
Corner kick goals at the youth level are typically garbage goals anyway. Not a lot of quality shining through most of the time, so who cares.
PP, evidently.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:51
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Refs should always be held accountable for mistakes just like every other human being paid a wage for a service.
Yes, USSF encourages crew self reflection postgame which you often see. In perfect times there are mentors and assessments as well. This is all accountability with a constructive focus on inprovement.
As opposed to: postgame this weekend when a parent approached me and put a hand on my shoulder to ‘apologize’ for his profanity that he said Was caused by my bad call and questioned: “you called advantage and we scored then you called the goal back for offsides, how is that fair? “
Not much of an apology. And if I wasn’t wearing the badge representing USSF and the club and kids I would have normally said get your hand off me and don’t ever touch me.
Fun way to start a day with parent privilege
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:28
Subject: Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:PP, tha'ts still not excuse why your DD's team couldn't defend a corner kick. The team also had about 75 other minutes to score/make up for it.
Corner kick goals at the youth level are typically garbage goals anyway. Not a lot of quality shining through most of the time, so who cares.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:23
Subject: Where are the referees?
Clubs should have parents come out to practice and ref a scrimmage...it’ll give them a better appreciation for what it entails. Knowing the rules is not even half the battle. I’ve reffed a handful of games and to me it’s like being in a whirlwind - trying to follow the action, while not impeding play, but staying close enough to have a good view, all the while knowing you are only seeing a slice of the field and having to make decisions that, at times, you aren’t entirely certain about. To me it was dizzying - slightly physically, and very much so mentally.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:14
Subject: Where are the referees?
PP, tha'ts still not excuse why your DD's team couldn't defend a corner kick. The team also had about 75 other minutes to score/make up for it.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:06
Subject: Re:Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teenage refs are influenced from parents yelling.
DD had a game yesterday and every time a parent yelled from the other team a foul was called. There were numerous of the same foul's on MY DD's team, but the parents don't usually yell and let the refs do their job. These fouls were the same as the fouls on the other team, but the only difference is the other team's parents would be more vocal. All 3 refs appeared to be under 18 yrs of age and this is an ECNL game.
Also, one AR had called offsides and the ball went out of bounds, which resulted in a corner kick, but the main ref didn't even look to the AR at all and immediately went to the corner kick. The AR put their flag down and let the play continue which resulted in a goal off the corner kick.
THE AR SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING TO THE REF THAT IT WAS OFFSIDES BEFORE THE CORNER KICK EVEN HAPPENED!!
I don't mind teenager's refereeing games, but if you aren't going to uphold your own call, then you shouldn't be a referee.
Again the criticism illustrates the problem: as a referee I hear this as the parent believes the AR got a call right and the Center missed it and the result was a goal off a corner. Assuming the parent is correct (which is a big assumption) so what? Mistakes are made, that is frustrating but part of the game. Even when the mistakes are caught as this weekend when i saw my AR stand with flag up after a goal indicating offsides instead of running to center, we conferred and ruled it offsides and no goal, guess what? Yep a barrage of abuse started at us because we attempted to do our best on a split second judgment call.
And now parents are posting in all caps that they don’t want the referees who reffed their game back. On a thread about ref shortage.
Oh well
+1 this illustrates the problem well.
Parents and coaches shouldn’t lose their minds and berate the referee if a call is missed. I saw a referee recently eject a coach for screaming profanities about a call he didn’t like and was happy to see the ref cut that behavior.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:06
Subject: Re:Where are the referees?
Anonymous wrote:Our ECNL game was cancelled this past weekend because there was no ref.
Same. Never had this happen in the 8 years I have had kids in travel soccer.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:01
Subject: Where are the referees?
Refs should always be held accountable for mistakes just like every other human being paid a wage for a service.