Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:59
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Another stupid woke discussion. Just play the game. Only in America would someone ask such an asinine question.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:47
Subject: Re:Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our white club’s top teams are 95% Latino.
Whoa. Have they been there their entire soccer career or do they come from smaller clubs?
Not PP, but our club is the same way now. Top teams are full of Latino players and yes, they all pretty much have come from other smaller clubs.
Now that we have MLS Next even more have arrived and the rest of the club players have become 2nd and 3rd tier teams. Really odd.
So how is this diverse? 99 percent of anything is not diverse.
Virtue signaling
I think the question to ask is why is this happening? What does it say about a big club when they are passing over kids they’ve trained for kids trained at smaller clubs? Assuming the smaller clubs are getting coaching right, why don’t big clubs coach that way? Is it the way they coach or the pool of kids they’re getting?
Of course 90+% of anything is not good but what about the system is producing these extremes? Mostly white or Latino or whatever teams
Bigger doesn’t mean better and diverse vs non-diverse doesn’t mean one is better than the other. What matter is having a positive culture of learning that allows for a player to develop.
I would disagree with this, at least with soccer, some diversity is better than none. Sure, if you mean positive culture of learning in a kumbaya kind of way - everyone’s respectful and polite and listens to different things, maybe diversity doesn’t matter. But positive development comes from not only listening and learning about different views/mindset/style of play, but actually implementing them and being exposed to them or having kids being pushed out of their comfort zones. That is not happening in a non-diverse setting.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:39
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When my older DD was the only AA, she was “the Black girl”. The other kids didn’t really bother to learn her name until the ne t year when two more Black girls joined.
Sorry about that. That must have tough for her. You stuck it out though so I guess the positive outweighed the negatives?
In a way, it prepared her at a young age to be “the only” in a lot of settings both as a child and now as a young woman. It wasn’t the last time that happened either. Her first week working at a state agency, a coworker told her that another coworker was calling her “the Black girl”. After that, she made a point of reintroducing herself to him every day until he stopped.
Oh wow. I’m Asian and I definitely was naive and surprised about being constantly mistaken for other Asian coworkers early on in my career. It blew my mind because we don’t even look alike and we weren’t the same type of Asian! That was a predominantly white field. I work in a different field now which is significantly more diverse and it’s been a breath of fresh air.
We are Asian and my son plays on very competitive team in the area. He doesn’t fit the typical mold of a timid Asian, he’s tall and works out constantly but even our coach can’t help but be a little racist. One of the kids on the team was having issues with grades and joking said you should probably get together with Pete (my kid) so be can tutor you. He’s a straight A student probably. I was a bit turned off with the statement, but didn’t make a stink considering it was a stereotypical comment that I don’t necessary consider negative. On the pitch the other players keep racism alive and make comments like, “bro guard Son over there”.
What does your son say in these situations?
Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:34
Subject: Re:Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
I literally forget I'm half hispanic a lot of the time, so I definitely don't expect my kids to remember either. I don't care about diversity for them in terms of them not feeling left out, but care in terms of them getting exposed to all different kinds of people and learning different doesn't equal weird, etc.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:31
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When my older DD was the only AA, she was “the Black girl”. The other kids didn’t really bother to learn her name until the ne t year when two more Black girls joined.
Sorry about that. That must have tough for her. You stuck it out though so I guess the positive outweighed the negatives?
In a way, it prepared her at a young age to be “the only” in a lot of settings both as a child and now as a young woman. It wasn’t the last time that happened either. Her first week working at a state agency, a coworker told her that another coworker was calling her “the Black girl”. After that, she made a point of reintroducing herself to him every day until he stopped.
Oh wow. I’m Asian and I definitely was naive and surprised about being constantly mistaken for other Asian coworkers early on in my career. It blew my mind because we don’t even look alike and we weren’t the same type of Asian! That was a predominantly white field. I work in a different field now which is significantly more diverse and it’s been a breath of fresh air.
We are Asian and my son plays on very competitive team in the area. He doesn’t fit the typical mold of a timid Asian, he’s tall and works out constantly but even our coach can’t help but be a little racist. One of the kids on the team was having issues with grades and joking said you should probably get together with Pete (my kid) so be can tutor you. He’s a straight A student probably. I was a bit turned off with the statement, but didn’t make a stink considering it was a stereotypical comment that I don’t necessary consider negative. On the pitch the other players keep racism alive and make comments like, “bro guard Son over there”.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:07
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A person can’t be diverse FYI. A team can be. A person cannot.
I am a paranoid schizophrenic.
I guess OP meant diverse background…
OP here, yes that’s what I meant, I didn’t want to limit it…was hoping to get responses from
anyone who considered themselves as having a diverse background/situation.
Why did you start this thread? It's so silly. We are all wonderful human beings and that's all that matters. Only silly people worry about meaningless differences in background.
Then you are lucky that you have not experienced being disadvantaged in life because of your background. And if you have, slow clap for you for weathering it well.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 12:03
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are Asian Americans and my DD has been the only 1 or 2 Asian players on her predominately white teams for the past two teams in different clubs in MoCo. I wish there were more diversity. But it seems that MoCo travel teams are mostly white.
I’m not sure why but maybe Asian girls prefer to play other sports or activities???
We are also Asian American and we also barely see any Asian families. The ones I’ve seen are pretty good though so it maybe it’s a sport Asian families will only do if they notice that their kid has potential.
+1. I agree. I noticed my DD really enjoyed soccer and had potential so we pursued travel. She’s U14 right now. BTW, are you in MoCo?
We are in PG county so even less Asians here I think. But same, we have one child who has the interest and drive and the talent. His sibs play too but talented child is the reason we play travel level. I’m surprised that that is not the primary reason you put your kids in travel to be honest. I can understand a strong interest but I feel that there are rec levels where an interested child can play at their level and still have fun. We see tons of mediocre kids and crazy parents.
But I guess everyone thinks their kid is talented? Or can get better with consistency? I don’t believe the latter is possible though without the initial drive and talent though.
It might be stereotypical, but most Asian parents push academics and instrument playing (piano, violin, etc.) over sports. (I am Asian so I’m not being racist.)
The reason why my DD started playing soccer 7/8 years ago was because her friends/classmates begged her to join. She didn’t realize she love soccer until she started playing. She wanted to play travel as her Rec teammates were not serious/focused on soccer.
I am not hoping/expecting a soccer scholarship at all but rather something to pad her college application. The father/daughter bonding because of soccer is a huge plus though.
Asian mom here and yeah, while stereotypical, my kids grades are very impt to me and they are encouraged to excel beyond their comfort level and to take advantage of every opportunity to get better grades (retests, extra points, etc.). Basically just to put your best into everything. I’m an immigrant and I’ve always felt that this was the only way to become successful in the US.
But I also do want my kids to excel as far as they can in anything they’re talented and interested in…hence travel soccer. We have college funds so we also aren’t aiming for scholarships, just really want to see how far the kids can take their interest and dreams.
I love that no one responded to this one. I hope the moderator does not remove your heartfelt comments.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:59
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A person can’t be diverse FYI. A team can be. A person cannot.
I am a paranoid schizophrenic.
I guess OP meant diverse background…
OP here, yes that’s what I meant, I didn’t want to limit it…was hoping to get responses from
anyone who considered themselves as having a diverse background/situation.
Why did you start this thread? It's so silly. We are all wonderful human beings and that's all that matters. Only silly people worry about meaningless differences in background.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:57
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A person can’t be diverse FYI. A team can be. A person cannot.
I am a paranoid schizophrenic.
I guess OP meant diverse background…
I come from a long line of paranoid schizphrenics on both sides.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:57
Subject: Re:Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our white club’s top teams are 95% Latino.
Whoa. Have they been there their entire soccer career or do they come from smaller clubs?
Not PP, but our club is the same way now. Top teams are full of Latino players and yes, they all pretty much have come from other smaller clubs.
Now that we have MLS Next even more have arrived and the rest of the club players have become 2nd and 3rd tier teams. Really odd.
So how is this diverse? 99 percent of anything is not diverse.
Virtue signaling
I think the question to ask is why is this happening? What does it say about a big club when they are passing over kids they’ve trained for kids trained at smaller clubs? Assuming the smaller clubs are getting coaching right, why don’t big clubs coach that way? Is it the way they coach or the pool of kids they’re getting?
Of course 90+% of anything is not good but what about the system is producing these extremes? Mostly white or Latino or whatever teams
Bigger doesn’t mean better and diverse vs non-diverse doesn’t mean one is better than the other. What matter is having a positive culture of learning that allows for a player to develop.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:47
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
No.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:45
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A person can’t be diverse FYI. A team can be. A person cannot.
I am a paranoid schizophrenic.
I guess OP meant diverse background…
OP here, yes that’s what I meant, I didn’t want to limit it…was hoping to get responses from
anyone who considered themselves as having a diverse background/situation.
The point is just going right over your head.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:37
Subject: Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are Asian Americans and my DD has been the only 1 or 2 Asian players on her predominately white teams for the past two teams in different clubs in MoCo. I wish there were more diversity. But it seems that MoCo travel teams are mostly white.
I’m not sure why but maybe Asian girls prefer to play other sports or activities???
We are also Asian American and we also barely see any Asian families. The ones I’ve seen are pretty good though so it maybe it’s a sport Asian families will only do if they notice that their kid has potential.
+1. I agree. I noticed my DD really enjoyed soccer and had potential so we pursued travel. She’s U14 right now. BTW, are you in MoCo?
We are in PG county so even less Asians here I think. But same, we have one child who has the interest and drive and the talent. His sibs play too but talented child is the reason we play travel level. I’m surprised that that is not the primary reason you put your kids in travel to be honest. I can understand a strong interest but I feel that there are rec levels where an interested child can play at their level and still have fun. We see tons of mediocre kids and crazy parents.
But I guess everyone thinks their kid is talented? Or can get better with consistency? I don’t believe the latter is possible though without the initial drive and talent though.
It might be stereotypical, but most Asian parents push academics and instrument playing (piano, violin, etc.) over sports. (I am Asian so I’m not being racist.)
The reason why my DD started playing soccer 7/8 years ago was because her friends/classmates begged her to join. She didn’t realize she love soccer until she started playing. She wanted to play travel as her Rec teammates were not serious/focused on soccer.
I am not hoping/expecting a soccer scholarship at all but rather something to pad her college application. The father/daughter bonding because of soccer is a huge plus though.
Asian mom here and yeah, while stereotypical, my kids grades are very impt to me and they are encouraged to excel beyond their comfort level and to take advantage of every opportunity to get better grades (retests, extra points, etc.). Basically just to put your best into everything. I’m an immigrant and I’ve always felt that this was the only way to become successful in the US.
But I also do want my kids to excel as far as they can in anything they’re talented and interested in…hence travel soccer. We have college funds so we also aren’t aiming for scholarships, just really want to see how far the kids can take their interest and dreams.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:27
Subject: Re:Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our white club’s top teams are 95% Latino.
Whoa. Have they been there their entire soccer career or do they come from smaller clubs?
Not PP, but our club is the same way now. Top teams are full of Latino players and yes, they all pretty much have come from other smaller clubs.
Now that we have MLS Next even more have arrived and the rest of the club players have become 2nd and 3rd tier teams. Really odd.
So how is this diverse? 99 percent of anything is not diverse.
Virtue signaling
I think the question to ask is why is this happening? What does it say about a big club when they are passing over kids they’ve trained for kids trained at smaller clubs? Assuming the smaller clubs are getting coaching right, why don’t big clubs coach that way? Is it the way they coach or the pool of kids they’re getting?
Of course 90+% of anything is not good but what about the system is producing these extremes? Mostly white or Latino or whatever teams
Anonymous
10/13/2021 11:06
Subject: Re:Parents of diverse kid: does diversity on a team matter to you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our white club’s top teams are 95% Latino.
Whoa. Have they been there their entire soccer career or do they come from smaller clubs?
Not PP, but our club is the same way now. Top teams are full of Latino players and yes, they all pretty much have come from other smaller clubs.
Now that we have MLS Next even more have arrived and the rest of the club players have become 2nd and 3rd tier teams. Really odd.
What is odd about that? Are they not better than the kids that have been in club throughout their soccer careers? Do you think there is some sort of agreement between the club and smaller clubs to take these new players?