Anonymous wrote:Democrats put themselves in the current situation. I bet the GOP would be willing to raise the debt ceiling if Democrats uncoupled the two spending bills, and we're willing to negotiate on the larger one. If they did, then the Democrats could neutralize the Progressive wing of their own party. When it comes to 2022 and 2024, do you really think Progressives are going to stay home or vote GOP?

The democrats already sent a clean bill that the GOP filibustered, so you lose that bet.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question- why do we even have a debt ceiling? It's been raised multiple times now. Clearly nobody takes it seriously as far as spending is concerned, so maybe they should just get rid of it altogether?

There’s no debt ceiling in the Constitution, it’s statutory. Congress established the debt ceiling after WWI to encourage fiscal discipline. It didn’t work.

It wasn't done for fiscal discipline reasons. It was done to make it easier to pay.

How does establishing a debt ceiling make it easier to pay? It makes it harder to pay.

Democrats put themselves in the current situation. I bet the GOP would be willing to raise the debt ceiling if Democrats uncoupled the two spending bills, and we're willing to negotiate on the larger one. If they did, then the Democrats could neutralize the Progressive wing of their own party. When it comes to 2022 and 2024, do you really think Progressives are going to stay home or vote GOP?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the democrats need republicans to do this? I honestly do not understand the democrats position.

I heard on the radio today that the senate parliamentarian ruled that the democrats can up the debt limit in a reconciliation bill that has nothing to do with the big reconciliation bill. so what's the problem?

You are correct.
They need to find a way to blame Republicans because their party is in such disarray.

Oh goodie, we have the new talking point. Disarray! LOL. No sweetie, not even close. There are lots of good blogs and articles out there showing that is complete BS. Why don't you go read them?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats can use the reconciliation to raise the limit.

Easy Peasy. What’s the big deal ?

They don’t want to. So they’ll just blow up the global economy instead. Apparently it’s a time consuming hassle.

Do you even hear the words coming out of your mouth? Republicans are the ones filibustering and threatening to blow up the global economy

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question- why do we even have a debt ceiling? It's been raised multiple times now. Clearly nobody takes it seriously as far as spending is concerned, so maybe they should just get rid of it altogether?

There’s no debt ceiling in the Constitution, it’s statutory. Congress established the debt ceiling after WWI to encourage fiscal discipline. It didn’t work.

It wasn't done for fiscal discipline reasons. It was done to make it easier to pay.

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If media was not owned by GOP operatives of billionaires they would hammer this.

Are you paid to do this or do you just like sending democratic talking points along?

This is a vast oversimplification of the issue. But at the end of the day it comes down to this --- the deal on spending, taxes, debt, cannot be done by democrats alone without a major cost to them. If they go into the next election and increase majorities then yes they can do what they want; republicans likely to take House and Senate though. The reality on the ground is that they cannot get what they want alone. That means they can only get what they can negotiate. That is not going to be what they want. But they take what they can get and fight another day or just lose. There is no win scenario here for dems.

“The chaos is the point — or at least a vague hope that the latest legislative crisis will somehow undermine the ability to fulfill unrelated parts of Biden’s agenda, especially an expansive bill to combat climate change and reweave the social safety net.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/mcconnell-debt-ceiling.html

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the democrats need republicans to do this? I honestly do not understand the democrats position.

I heard on the radio today that the senate parliamentarian ruled that the democrats can up the debt limit in a reconciliation bill that has nothing to do with the big reconciliation bill. so what's the problem?

You are correct.
They need to find a way to blame Republicans because their party is in such disarray.

Exactly. Optics.

Anonymous wrote:McConnell wants the American people to think that he’s being fiscally prudent by keeping the Democrats from overspending. Most Americans don’t understand that raising the debt limit is to pay for debts already accumulated by the last administration.

Are you wearing your big black glasses when you say things like this?

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If media was not owned by GOP operatives of billionaires they would hammer this.

Please tell me the Biden people are not trying to blame Trump for all their stupidity

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats can use the reconciliation to raise the limit.

Easy Peasy. What’s the big deal ?

They don’t want to. So they’ll just blow up the global economy instead. Apparently it’s a time consuming hassle.

Republicans ran up the debt . It’s their job to supply enough votes to raise the limit. But they don’t want to pay their bills.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question- why do we even have a debt ceiling? It's been raised multiple times now. Clearly nobody takes it seriously as far as spending is concerned, so maybe they should just get rid of it altogether?

There’s no debt ceiling in the Constitution, it’s statutory. Congress established the debt ceiling after WWI to encourage fiscal discipline. It didn’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats can use the reconciliation to raise the limit.

Easy Peasy. What’s the big deal ?

They don’t want to. So they’ll just blow up the global economy instead. Apparently it’s a time consuming hassle.

Republicans ran up the debt . It’s their job to supply enough votes to raise the limit. But they don’t want to pay their bills.

Anonymous wrote:Democrats can use the reconciliation to raise the limit.

Easy Peasy. What’s the big deal ?

They don’t want to. So they’ll just blow up the global economy instead. Apparently it’s a time consuming hassle.