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These sorts of questions are probably why APE is encouraging people to direct their advocacy to both APS and to the governor/VDOE. Virginia had a massive budget surplus at the end of the 2021 fiscal year - why shouldn't we put some of that money toward funding testing in schools to help them stay safe?

To "stay safe"? I have some problem with that narrative given that test to stay is NOT recommended by the CDC. Quarantine is.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

DP. You will never get APS to provide meaningful remediation if APS will not admit there is a need for remediation in the first place. The changes to SOL scoring allow APS to pretend that remediation is not needed for reading. APE is trying to hold APS accountable so they will provide remediation. I do not understand why you are fighting that so hard.

I'm not "fighting" anything - just pointing out APE's priorities.

Why did APE also include school closures (twice) & VMPI as its #1 topic for this newsletter?

I have no idea why they chose the particular order for the news letter because I didn't write it. But since they are an educational advocacy group, legislative action on education issues seems like an appropriate topic for them to comment on.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

There's a big problem with their testing push. Who is going to pay for it??? APE needs to say where the money will come from. There isn't money to spare as far as I know. So where are they going to take it from? Learning loss recovery?

These sorts of questions are probably why APE is encouraging people to direct their advocacy to both APS and to the governor/VDOE. Virginia had a massive budget surplus at the end of the 2021 fiscal year - why shouldn't we put some of that money toward funding testing in schools to help them stay safe?

To "stay safe"? I have some problem with that narrative given that test to stay is NOT recommended by the CDC. Quarantine is.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

DP. You will never get APS to provide meaningful remediation if APS will not admit there is a need for remediation in the first place. The changes to SOL scoring allow APS to pretend that remediation is not needed for reading. APE is trying to hold APS accountable so they will provide remediation. I do not understand why you are fighting that so hard.

I'm not "fighting" anything - just pointing out APE's priorities.

Why did APE also include school closures (twice) & VMPI as its #1 topic for this newsletter?

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It’s really weird that APE comes to DCUM to share their newsletter.



People need to stop assuming people posting are in APE or SR or anything. There are a couple of people obsessed with ape here and wouldn’t be surprised if they post bs claiming to be them. I’m more sick of the anti ape rhetoric than I ever was at ape at this point.



So someone not in APE came to DCUM to post their newsletter “hot off the presses” with a outline of the sections? Uh, ok 🙄🙄🙄



It makes me think APE doesn't have much momentum left now that schools are open and is trying desperately to stay relevant and drum up support. King of spinning in a lot of different directions that they don't know much about. I have some concerns about the VMPI but I'm not going to APE for information on it.

They are a shill for the Republican party.

Yes, that's why their leadership is majority Democrats.

Who is writing the newsletter though?

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

DP. You will never get APS to provide meaningful remediation if APS will not admit there is a need for remediation in the first place. The changes to SOL scoring allow APS to pretend that remediation is not needed for reading. APE is trying to hold APS accountable so they will provide remediation. I do not understand why you are fighting that so hard.

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It’s really weird that APE comes to DCUM to share their newsletter.



People need to stop assuming people posting are in APE or SR or anything. There are a couple of people obsessed with ape here and wouldn’t be surprised if they post bs claiming to be them. I’m more sick of the anti ape rhetoric than I ever was at ape at this point.



So someone not in APE came to DCUM to post their newsletter “hot off the presses” with a outline of the sections? Uh, ok 🙄🙄🙄



It makes me think APE doesn't have much momentum left now that schools are open and is trying desperately to stay relevant and drum up support. King of spinning in a lot of different directions that they don't know much about. I have some concerns about the VMPI but I'm not going to APE for information on it.

They are a shill for the Republican party.

Yes, that's why their leadership is majority Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

There's a big problem with their testing push. Who is going to pay for it??? APE needs to say where the money will come from. There isn't money to spare as far as I know. So where are they going to take it from? Learning loss recovery?

These sorts of questions are probably why APE is encouraging people to direct their advocacy to both APS and to the governor/VDOE. Virginia had a massive budget surplus at the end of the 2021 fiscal year - why shouldn't we put some of that money toward funding testing in schools to help them stay safe?

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It’s really weird that APE comes to DCUM to share their newsletter.



People need to stop assuming people posting are in APE or SR or anything. There are a couple of people obsessed with ape here and wouldn’t be surprised if they post bs claiming to be them. I’m more sick of the anti ape rhetoric than I ever was at ape at this point.



So someone not in APE came to DCUM to post their newsletter “hot off the presses” with a outline of the sections? Uh, ok 🙄🙄🙄



It makes me think APE doesn't have much momentum left now that schools are open and is trying desperately to stay relevant and drum up support. King of spinning in a lot of different directions that they don't know much about. I have some concerns about the VMPI but I'm not going to APE for information on it.

They are a shill for the Republican party.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

There's a big problem with their testing push. Who is going to pay for it??? APE needs to say where the money will come from. There isn't money to spare as far as I know. So where are they going to take it from? Learning loss recovery?

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

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It’s really weird that APE comes to DCUM to share their newsletter.



People need to stop assuming people posting are in APE or SR or anything. There are a couple of people obsessed with ape here and wouldn’t be surprised if they post bs claiming to be them. I’m more sick of the anti ape rhetoric than I ever was at ape at this point.



So someone not in APE came to DCUM to post their newsletter “hot off the presses” with a outline of the sections? Uh, ok 🙄🙄🙄



It makes me think APE doesn't have much momentum left now that schools are open and is trying desperately to stay relevant and drum up support. King of spinning in a lot of different directions that they don't know much about. I have some concerns about the VMPI but I'm not going to APE for information on it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird that APE comes to DCUM to share their newsletter.

People need to stop assuming people posting are in APE or SR or anything. There are a couple of people obsessed with ape here and wouldn’t be surprised if they post bs claiming to be them. I’m more sick of the anti ape rhetoric than I ever was at ape at this point.

So someone not in APE came to DCUM to post their newsletter “hot off the presses” with a outline of the sections? Uh, ok 🙄🙄🙄

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.

Again, that is a non-meaningful area of focus if their real concern is remediation.

That was sandwiched in between “school closures” and VMPI, right? All non-meaningful areas of focus for topic #1.

Like I said, they should have stuck with topic #2 (pushing for more covid testing). And/or add meaningful ways to address remediation.

But I guess they want to get in on the political games. That’s their new focus.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were my first exposure to APE this would all be very interesting but knowing that the same organization that now seems to be asking for increased teacher salaries was last year complaining that teachers were overly concerned about their health during covid and weren't working hard enough with remote learning tells me something about where the group really stands when it comes to teachers.

I'm at the point where APE says anything and I feel like I need to fact check it three different ways before I actually trust that it's true and not the product of some right-ish (for NOVA) wing spin machine. Beware.

Agreed!

+1

It’s a shame they didn’t just stick with the section about the testing. They didn’t even *lead* with that.

Instead, they started with that Northam/VDOE nonsense.

Tell me you didn’t read the newsletter without telling me you didn’t read the newsletter.

Which section do you think they led with? Wasn’t testing…

Hint: Go re-read the OP.

Troll.

School closures / SOLs / VMPI. All BS related to the current election. And apparently the #1 priority.

Section 2 was advocating for more testing. That was the only substantial section relevant to APS. Rest of newsletter was political filler.

You think public school closure regulations, standardized testing in public schools, and math curriculum in public schools have nothing to do with our public schools? That’s a new theory.

Yes, they started with a bunch of BS faux issues about “State-Level Education-Related Proposals and Legislation” because of the election.

They should have stuck with advocating for more testing. An actual issue with an actual solution that can help kids stay in the school.

The rest is BS, misinformation, or filler.

What part was misinformation? I am still confused about how public school regulation doesn’t relate to public schools. Do you think that just because the group’s focus is on APS they can’t advocate at all any level of public education regulation?

VMPI was misinformation. School closures is 100% political BS (explained on other thread). Aside from the testing section, the rest was filler.

Weak sauce.

Weakening SOL passing standards is filler?

Pretty much. What’s the point of focusing on an assessment from last year? It was a crazy year with so many atypical factors that certainly affected test scores? They may have adjusted it last year simply because kids couldn’t retake as they normally do. Or there were challenges with how it was given that skewed results.

The actual issue is the learning gap and how to push this year to get kids back on track. That would have been a meaningful topic instead of the filler to rag on VDOE/Northam during a gubernatorial election.

So transparent.

If that’s your view, then you actually should be really concerned about the changes to reading passing standards. The point of those passing standards isn’t to set a curve that ensures a certain number of students pass every year, it’s supposed to be to identify students and schools who aren’t meeting grade level standards for reading ability. Dropping the minimum score to pass that dramatically conceals how many children are not reading at the level they should be, which only reinforces the learning gap because it allows schools to pretend it doesn’t exist, or at least not to the extent it does.

Look what it’s done in practical terms - math scores weren’t adjusted he same way, we saw a massive drop in pass rates, and everyone is focused on how to address learning loss in math. We should be doing the same for reading but we’re not because this manipulation of passing scores let’s everyone pretend reading is going just fine.

Schools and teachers should absolutely assess and determine where to focus efforts on remediation this year. The SOL assessments from last year may not be the best tool to accomplish that. Focusing on that now (Oct 2021) is distracting from practical efforts to get kids back on track.

APE has an opportunity to advocate for meaningful things here for our kids (like they did pushing for more covid testing). It’s a shame they would rather play politics.

I don’t think you really understand the issue, because there are huge disconnects in your reasoning. You agree that schools should be addressing learning loss and providing remediation to students who are falling behind, right? So why are you fighting against efforts to highlight to extent of learning loss when it comes to reading, thereby enabling APS ignore the needs of students who are falling behind?

This is such a weird hill to choose to die on just because you don’t like APE.