Anonymous
11/18/2021 17:01
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
I actually disagree (and have a kid with a late fall birthday so not particularly good for either SCY or LCM). By the time they are 13/14 (and maybe even 12), it all shakes out. She ends up competing against different kids at different points in the year. And it bugs me a bit for summer that some kids are swimming an age below their actual age. I think swim the exact age you are at a meet feels fair.
Yes, I think this is a big issue in swimming and wish USAS would use cutoff dates like most sports - something like Jan 1 for SC champs and July 1 for long course champs, so that kids who are training and competing with their age group all season could actually participate in the season-ending meet.
DD went to a birthday party last year between divisionals and all stars. I can't imagine how rough it would be on a kid to make all stars and then lose the spot before the meet even occurs.
But that’s exactly what happens to kids in USA (year round) swimming. They work hard all season as a 10 year old to qualify for champs and then lose the spot if they have a birthday the week before the meet. That’s why a cutoff would be better.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 16:56
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
I actually disagree (and have a kid with a late fall birthday so not particularly good for either SCY or LCM). By the time they are 13/14 (and maybe even 12), it all shakes out. She ends up competing against different kids at different points in the year. And it bugs me a bit for summer that some kids are swimming an age below their actual age. I think swim the exact age you are at a meet feels fair.
Yes, I think this is a big issue in swimming and wish USAS would use cutoff dates like most sports - something like Jan 1 for SC champs and July 1 for long course champs, so that kids who are training and competing with their age group all season could actually participate in the season-ending meet.
DD went to a birthday party last year between divisionals and all stars. I can't imagine how rough it would be on a kid to make all stars and then lose the spot before the meet even occurs.
At least in MCSL, you don’t age out of a group during the summer. The age you are on June 1st determines what age group you swim with. So if you turn 11 on June 15th you still spend the whole summer competing in the 9-10 age group. I’m the poster with the May birthday kid and she often joked about this, she was like if I had been born a few weeks later I could have just crushed 8 year olds all summer instead of fighting to make A meets against 10 year olds
The competitive streak was an eye opener for us, but she benefited from competing against the better kids and she still had a great time.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 16:44
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
I actually disagree (and have a kid with a late fall birthday so not particularly good for either SCY or LCM). By the time they are 13/14 (and maybe even 12), it all shakes out. She ends up competing against different kids at different points in the year. And it bugs me a bit for summer that some kids are swimming an age below their actual age. I think swim the exact age you are at a meet feels fair.
Yes, I think this is a big issue in swimming and wish USAS would use cutoff dates like most sports - something like Jan 1 for SC champs and July 1 for long course champs, so that kids who are training and competing with their age group all season could actually participate in the season-ending meet.
DD went to a birthday party last year between divisionals and all stars. I can't imagine how rough it would be on a kid to make all stars and then lose the spot before the meet even occurs.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 16:38
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
I actually disagree (and have a kid with a late fall birthday so not particularly good for either SCY or LCM). By the time they are 13/14 (and maybe even 12), it all shakes out. She ends up competing against different kids at different points in the year. And it bugs me a bit for summer that some kids are swimming an age below their actual age. I think swim the exact age you are at a meet feels fair.
Yes, I think this is a big issue in swimming and wish USAS would use cutoff dates like most sports - something like Jan 1 for SC champs and July 1 for long course champs, so that kids who are training and competing with their age group all season could actually participate in the season-ending meet.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 16:35
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
Yes, I think this is a big issue in swimming and wish USAS would use cutoff dates like most sports - something like Jan 1 for SC champs and July 1 for long course champs, so that kids who are training and competing with their age group all season could actually participate in the season-ending meet.
As someone with a kid who as a birthday that puts them as one of the youngest in sports that go by birth year and one of the oldest by grade, I actually think this is a fair compromise.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 16:29
Subject: Re:2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
I really find these swim threads very helpful.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge for all the newbies!
Thanks for sharing the knowledge for all the newbies!
Anonymous
11/18/2021 16:12
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
Yes, I think this is a big issue in swimming and wish USAS would use cutoff dates like most sports - something like Jan 1 for SC champs and July 1 for long course champs, so that kids who are training and competing with their age group all season could actually participate in the season-ending meet.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 15:44
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yep, my son has a late January bday and it’s awful for short course champs, unfortunately. However, our team does a fairly big deal December champs (not with QTs though), and long course is slightly better. The best “swim birthdays” are generally August/September. It stinks but generally only matters when they are young.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 15:38
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wow, those times seem really easy? Is that typical for this area? We are getting ready to move there but where we are, our “big meet”/championship is a state age group champs and the QT are much faster.
Is your kid young? The times are easy if you’re 10 and under. For my 13 year old boy, the times are closer to a AA than A- -much closer.
Here’s an example:
500 free, 13 yr old boy:
A time: 5:31.39
JO cut: 5:13.69
AA time: 5:17.59
^^A kid needs almost a AA time to qualify for JOs at this age.
10 year olds boy:
JO cut: 6:59.99
A time: 6:37.39
AA time: 6:20.79
^^A 10 year old boy can be more than 20 seconds from an A time and still make the JO cut.
In your 13 year old example, kid needs the AA time to make Jos, right? In my example of a 13 yr old, he needs almost an AA time. The 10 year olds doesn’t even need an A time to make the cut.
Also, I think the meets are big to include more kids bc to final in most events, you likely need an AAA (if not AAAA) time, even in the younger years.
Sometimes. Depends on the meet. Here’s the jo results from a few years ago and they note who had aa, aaa, and zones cuts.
https://www.pvswim.org/1819meet/19-71rm.html
Anonymous
11/18/2021 13:54
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wow, those times seem really easy? Is that typical for this area? We are getting ready to move there but where we are, our “big meet”/championship is a state age group champs and the QT are much faster.
Is your kid young? The times are easy if you’re 10 and under. For my 13 year old boy, the times are closer to a AA than A- -much closer.
Here’s an example:
500 free, 13 yr old boy:
A time: 5:31.39
JO cut: 5:13.69
AA time: 5:17.59
^^A kid needs almost a AA time to qualify for JOs at this age.
10 year olds boy:
JO cut: 6:59.99
A time: 6:37.39
AA time: 6:20.79
^^A 10 year old boy can be more than 20 seconds from an A time and still make the JO cut.
In your 13 year old example, kid needs the AA time to make Jos, right?
Also, I think the meets are big to include more kids bc to final in most events, you likely need an AAA (if not AAAA) time, even in the younger years.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 13:37
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wow, those times seem really easy? Is that typical for this area? We are getting ready to move there but where we are, our “big meet”/championship is a state age group champs and the QT are much faster.
Is your kid young? The times are easy if you’re 10 and under. For my 13 year old boy, the times are closer to a AA than A- -much closer.
Here’s an example:
500 free, 13 yr old boy:
A time: 5:31.39
JO cut: 5:13.69
AA time: 5:17.59
^^A kid needs almost a AA time to qualify for JOs at this age.
10 year olds boy:
JO cut: 6:59.99
A time: 6:37.39
AA time: 6:20.79
^^A 10 year old boy can be more than 20 seconds from an A time and still make the JO cut.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 13:19
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
Yes - true! I totally agree. My kids have January, August, December bdays - and there are pros and cons to all of their bdays for various sports and school things. But I am recognizing, ok for JOs though -- not great for my January bday kid. Oh well. LOL. Like I think he might swim those times while 10 but maybe not between now and March 2022. Oh well - he's obviously not a phenom. LOL.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 12:18
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
Agree with this completely. Whatever you are focused on you want the birthday to be up against it. Generally it does make a difference.
Also 10&U is usually the easiest cut times. It gets tougher for 11-12 and really difficult for 13 and over.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 11:14
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting! Can I ask a dumb question. I have a 9 year old who turns 10 in January. Does he have a “bad” birthday for this? Like - this year is his only year to qualify as 10 & under because if he does it next year - even if he swam it while 10 - he would be 11 by the time of the meet?
Sorry it this question does make sense. But I hope you understand what I’m trying to ask. Thanks!
Yeah, my daughter has a late December birthday and her swim friend has a late march birthday. The December birthday is a little frustrating when it comes to JOs. The March birthday friend has a sweet deal!
sorry, I am not following - which month is the "best" birthday then, what are the rules for age, is it calendar based ie calendar year, or is it how old you are on the day of the actual meet? So in theory you would change age groups mid swim season? Thanks
The “best” birthday depends on what meet you’re focusing on. For JOs, yeah a birthday in January or February is not ideal. But for say summer swim and the summer long course meets, a spring birthday is not ideal. My DC has a May birthday and while that is fine for JOs, it is not great for summer swim/long course.
Anonymous
11/18/2021 11:10
Subject: 2022 PVS JO Qualifying Times - When will they be published?
**LSC (typing too quickly)