Anonymous
09/17/2021 16:12
Subject: Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:This topic is about peer reputation scores at US News
“ This is a measure of how a school is regarded by administrators at peer institutions on a peer assessment survey. A school's peer assessment score is determined by surveying presidents, provosts and deans of admissions, or officials in equivalent positions, at institutions in the school's ranking category.
Each individual was asked to rate peer schools' undergraduate academic programs on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished).”
It is about academic programs, not student selectivity!
You're preaching to the quire. Some posters like myself decided to make our own prestige list using the peer reputation ranking as a guide. In my and other posters reasoning, selectivity should be included in our own prestige ranking. Again overall prestige and academic prestige are not the same thing.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 16:10
Subject: Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:This topic is about peer reputation scores at US News
“ This is a measure of how a school is regarded by administrators at peer institutions on a peer assessment survey. A school's peer assessment score is determined by surveying presidents, provosts and deans of admissions, or officials in equivalent positions, at institutions in the school's ranking category.
Each individual was asked to rate peer schools' undergraduate academic programs on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished).”
It is about academic programs, not student selectivity!
That’s why they have separate undergraduate rankings for Engineering, Business, and now Nursing. Check out those rankings. Many of the most selective universities above aren’t listed in the top ten (where applicable of course).
Anonymous
09/17/2021 16:08
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:
4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice
The peer reviews are correct. In terms of academics prestige, which is basically what peer review measures, the above is the correct order. Academics don’t care about selectivity, they are looking at schools that have the best faculty, facilities, and prowess. That is why public schools like Berkeley and Michigan are held in such high esteem.
I agree but selectivity matters , at least a little, in terms of overall prestige. There's a reason Rice is ranked so high in the real ranking.
It really doesn’t matter to be honest. Most of the universities listed above are highly selective because they are small at the undergraduate level. That does not equate to academic prestige with these people. That’s why Wash U, Emory, ND, Rice, Vanderbilt, etc are not viewed as favorably as the those listed above them. Too many of you are conflated selectivity with academic strength.
All of these schools are academically strong. You trying to make a point but UCLA's 4.4 is realistically no different than Vandys 4.3 or even Georgetown's 4.2. The difference is small however the selectivity difference between these schools is very big. These factors balance each other out in the rankings. Lastly academic prestige is not over all prestige, it's only one factor of it.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 16:06
Subject: Peer reputation scores US news
This topic is about peer reputation scores at US News
“ This is a measure of how a school is regarded by administrators at peer institutions on a peer assessment survey. A school's peer assessment score is determined by surveying presidents, provosts and deans of admissions, or officials in equivalent positions, at institutions in the school's ranking category.
Each individual was asked to rate peer schools' undergraduate academic programs on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished).”
It is about academic programs, not student selectivity!
“ This is a measure of how a school is regarded by administrators at peer institutions on a peer assessment survey. A school's peer assessment score is determined by surveying presidents, provosts and deans of admissions, or officials in equivalent positions, at institutions in the school's ranking category.
Each individual was asked to rate peer schools' undergraduate academic programs on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished).”
It is about academic programs, not student selectivity!
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:59
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:
4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice
The peer reviews are correct. In terms of academics prestige, which is basically what peer review measures, the above is the correct order. Academics don’t care about selectivity, they are looking at schools that have the best faculty, facilities, and prowess. That is why public schools like Berkeley and Michigan are held in such high esteem.
I agree but selectivity matters , at least a little, in terms of overall prestige. There's a reason Rice is ranked so high in the real ranking.
It really doesn’t matter to be honest. Most of the universities listed above are highly selective because they are small at the undergraduate level. That does not equate to academic prestige with these people. That’s why Wash U, Emory, ND, Rice, Vanderbilt, etc are not viewed as favorably as the those listed above them. Too many of you are conflated selectivity with academic strength.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:53
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Switch Vandy and Berkeley, and move UCLA down 1. Both UCs have great academics but they aren't selective enough. Otherwise, I agree.
Okay, I kind of agree selectivity should matter.
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
16. Cornell, UCB
18. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Selectivity is a nonsense issue when it comes to peer reviews. Academicians know which schools are the heavy hitters and which one aren’t. So many of the hardest schools to gain entry listed above are also rans in QS and Times world rankings.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:49
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:
4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice
The peer reviews are correct. In terms of academics prestige, which is basically what peer review measures, the above is the correct order. Academics don’t care about selectivity, they are looking at schools that have the best faculty, facilities, and prowess. That is why public schools like Berkeley and Michigan are held in such high esteem.
I agree but selectivity matters , at least a little, in terms of overall prestige. There's a reason Rice is ranked so high in the real ranking.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:41
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:
4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice
The peer reviews are correct. In terms of academics prestige, which is basically what peer review measures, the above is the correct order. Academics don’t care about selectivity, they are looking at schools that have the best faculty, facilities, and prowess. That is why public schools like Berkeley and Michigan are held in such high esteem.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:28
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Switch Vandy and Berkeley, and move UCLA down 1. Both UCs have great academics but they aren't selective enough. Otherwise, I agree.
Okay, I kind of agree selectivity should matter.
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
16. Cornell, UCB
18. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:23
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
My list:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT
Yale, Princeton, Columbia
Caltech, UPenn, UChicago
JHU, Duke, Northwestern
Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell
UCB, UCLA, Vanderbilt
Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Harvard, Stanford, MIT
Yale, Princeton, Columbia
Caltech, UPenn, UChicago
JHU, Duke, Northwestern
Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell
UCB, UCLA, Vanderbilt
Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:19
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.
Absolutely not, JHU you is better than all of those schools, and Vanderbilt is harder to get into than the schools below it.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:15
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
I don't understand why Princeton is so high. While it's excellent in the field that it has, it has a very limited number of fields.
You could say the same about MIT.
Princeton, MIT, and Caltech are very limited in what they do. Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, and Berkeley are very good examples of a comprehensive university.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:15
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:14
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:The definitive guide for the top 10 universities:
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Columbia
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Duke
10. JHU
11. Chicago
12. Northwestern
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
Duke and JHU are way too high.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 15:12
Subject: Re:Peer reputation scores US news
Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison
Switch Vandy and Berkeley, and move UCLA down 1. Both UCs have great academics but they aren't selective enough. Otherwise, I agree.