Anonymous
Post 09/13/2021 01:38     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
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Anonymous wrote:There is just no way that all the secondary and tertiary UC schools are as good as their USNWR ranking. I have several colleagues from CA, and they just laugh. One colleague mentioned that UCSB used to be known as a stoner school.


They are nowhere near as good for undergraduate study as a number of schools they are in front of. It must have to do with the boost from Pell grants.

+1. It's downright silly.

Now that UCs are test blind and most others test optional, I suppose US News will remove scores from the formula completely for whichever year class of 2025's scores would have shown up in the calculation. With UC GPAs seeming very high, I'm sure they'll rise even further in the ranking.


The UC rankings are beginning to test the credulity of the rankings.

+1


UC Davis is tied with Georgia Tech, UT Austin, and William & Mary. I don't get that.

I know! UCD is superior to those schools in every way. Go Ags!
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2021 01:32     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
83. SUNY Binghamton
83. Colorado School of Mines
83. Elon
83. Howard
83. Marquette
83. Michigan Sate
83. Stevens Tech
83. Texas Christian U
83. UC Riverside
83. U Iowa

Anonymous
Post 09/13/2021 01:11     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
The California schools were ranked high long before the Pell grants were factored in.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2021 01:07     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
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Anonymous wrote:Who are the biggest movers??


University of Florida rise over the past several years.


Formula shifted to weight student debt and pell % very heavily. Florida and California schools are national leaders in both.


Being a leader in Pell really has to do with state demographics.


Yeah because everyone in Virginia is so wealthy, wealthier than California apparently.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:50     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:Where is UMD?


It’s down at 59.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:39     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who are the biggest movers??


University of Florida rise over the past several years.


Formula shifted to weight student debt and pell % very heavily. Florida and California schools are national leaders in both.


Being a leader in Pell really has to do with state demographics.


Don’t like this attitude. This site is full of whining about merit scholarships, aid, etc. Delivering a quality education at a good price is admirable and should be recognized.



Except that public universities have no control over the number of Pell students. Students apply and get in or not. Then the parents fill out the FAFSA and that determines (by the US Dept of ED) who qualifies for a Pell grant. And Congress gets to tinker with that percentage every year. So the university has no idea how many Pell Grant recipients it will have at the time of acceptance. Universities in states with lower per capita incomes, like California, will always have a great percentage of Pell grant students-similarly Michigan with applicants from Detroit. So it is unfair for USN&WR to use this as an evaluator since universities have no control. Read wiki on Pell Grants.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:27     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Where is UMD?
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:14     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who are the biggest movers??


University of Florida rise over the past several years.


Formula shifted to weight student debt and pell % very heavily. Florida and California schools are national leaders in both.


Being a leader in Pell really has to do with state demographics.


Don’t like this attitude. This site is full of whining about merit scholarships, aid, etc. Delivering a quality education at a good price is admirable and should be recognized.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:09     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Also Hopkins disappeared...
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:05     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


The list changed between their pre-release and the official release (when they updated the ranking title and everything). With the exception of Duke falling to 12th, the top 9 are still the same.


The site is glitching for me and Duke is showing up twice. Is Duke’s actual ranking #12 for this year?


Duke is showing up twice for me too
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:04     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


The list changed between their pre-release and the official release (when they updated the ranking title and everything). With the exception of Duke falling to 12th, the top 9 are still the same.


The site is glitching for me and Duke is showing up twice. Is Duke’s actual ranking #12 for this year?

Duke is 9. It's was 12 last year.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 23:01     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


The list changed between their pre-release and the official release (when they updated the ranking title and everything). With the exception of Duke falling to 12th, the top 9 are still the same.


The site is glitching for me and Duke is showing up twice. Is Duke’s actual ranking #12 for this year?
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 22:55     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who are the biggest movers??


University of Florida rise over the past several years.


Formula shifted to weight student debt and pell % very heavily. Florida and California schools are national leaders in both.


Being a leader in Pell really has to do with state demographics.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 22:55     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


The list changed between their pre-release and the official release (when they updated the ranking title and everything). With the exception of Duke falling to 12th, the top 9 are still the same.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 22:45     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
UVA #1 safety school!

Wahoo!