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Anonymous wrote:It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Trump ultimately will not be charged, depending on the evidence uncovered. First and foremost, everyone wanted the classified documents recovered. Something in the neighborhood of 140 documents have been recovered. But no explanation has been forthcoming about dozens of empty folders.

DOJ understands the damage of charging someone only to have a hung jury or awuittal. The standard of course is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The other side of the coin is DOJ will need to determine which documents might have to be fevlsssified in order to bring a 793 charge to trial. While classification is not technically a requirement for a violation, DOJ will want to emphasize to a jury the serious nature of the mishandling.

My belief is there are signals intercepts which have given the intelligence community reason to believe that information contained in some of the materials has been compromised. And having gone tomat on a subpoena and warrant it will be difficult to shut this all down without charges against someone other than false statements against a lawyer and a former valet. DOJ will be castigated for a witch hunt by bad faith actors either way.

I think at this point the only way he doesn't get charged, is if he dies first.

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Anonymous wrote:The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

What criminal statute do you think that violates?

That has been cited in this thread several times.

No, it hasn’t. Because an authorized person taking a classified document out of a SCIF is not a crime. If it were, we’d be sending security officers to jail all day for doing their jobs.

Er, security officers don't take classified (TS) documents out of SCIFs. I take it you don't know anyone with clearance?

How do you think classified docs get moved from one place to another?

I have a courier pass and can carry TS docs in a case with a lock. What I can’t do is unlock the carrier case and read them in non secure environment. I can’t share them with anyone. And I certainly can’t store in my home office mixed up with my kids artwork.

See you do not understand how to monetize these documents. Once out of the chain of custody you can make copies and sell them. This is what trump did.

Anonymous wrote:Assuming DOJ brings a conspiracy charge then venue is proper in any jurisdiction in which an overt act is committed in furtherance of the conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

What criminal statute do you think that violates?

That has been cited in this thread several times.

No, it hasn’t. Because an authorized person taking a classified document out of a SCIF is not a crime. If it were, we’d be sending security officers to jail all day for doing their jobs.

Er, security officers don't take classified (TS) documents out of SCIFs. I take it you don't know anyone with clearance?

How do you think classified docs get moved from one place to another?

With authorization, accountability, and specific levels of security/protection. None of which were present in this scenario.

You said security officer don’t take classified docs out of SCIFs. Seems you’ve now admitted they do in fact do that.

DP. This seems like an absurd level of hairsplitting that is ultimately irrelevant here because it has nothing to do with the case at hand. Do you have an actual point here, or are you just trying to disrupt the discussion?

It has a lot to do with the case at hand because DOJ has to show at least part of the crime happened in DC if they want to charge their. PP said that was easy because taking it out of the SCIF was the crime, but that is not in fact true if it was removed from the SCIF while Trump was President because in that case the removal would have been authorized. You may think it is hairsplitting, but this is exactly the type of analysis that a judge is going to engage in when deciding whether venue is proper. I guarantee that there are DOJ attorneys producing very long memos going through these issues.

The actions to illegally remove documents from the White House at the end of/after his term undeniably happened in DC. The White House is in DC. In addition, Trump’s obligation was to return the documents to an agency based in DC. It doesn’t matter if he was at MAL, Bedminster, or who knows where else at the time he directed people to withhold the docs and make the fraudulent misrepresentations, the criminal acts were directed toward an agency based in DC so that is a locus of the crime.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t you think that’s what the DOJ is praying for?
Heck, don’t you think that’s what the republicans are praying for?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t you think that’s what the DOJ is praying for?
Heck, don’t you think that’s what the republicans are praying for?

Not just republicans.

I still can't get over his rapid recovery from COVID.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t you think that’s what the DOJ is praying for?
Heck, don’t you think that’s what the republicans are praying for?

Anonymous wrote:It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Trump ultimately will not be charged, depending on the evidence uncovered. First and foremost, everyone wanted the classified documents recovered. Something in the neighborhood of 140 documents have been recovered. But no explanation has been forthcoming about dozens of empty folders.

DOJ understands the damage of charging someone only to have a hung jury or awuittal. The standard of course is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The other side of the coin is DOJ will need to determine which documents might have to be fevlsssified in order to bring a 793 charge to trial. While classification is not technically a requirement for a violation, DOJ will want to emphasize to a jury the serious nature of the mishandling.

My belief is there are signals intercepts which have given the intelligence community reason to believe that information contained in some of the materials has been compromised. And having gone tomat on a subpoena and warrant it will be difficult to shut this all down without charges against someone other than false statements against a lawyer and a former valet. DOJ will be castigated for a witch hunt by bad faith actors either way.

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Anonymous wrote:The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

What criminal statute do you think that violates?

That has been cited in this thread several times.

No, it hasn’t. Because an authorized person taking a classified document out of a SCIF is not a crime. If it were, we’d be sending security officers to jail all day for doing their jobs.

Er, security officers don't take classified (TS) documents out of SCIFs. I take it you don't know anyone with clearance?

How do you think classified docs get moved from one place to another?

With authorization, accountability, and specific levels of security/protection. None of which were present in this scenario.

You said security officer don’t take classified docs out of SCIFs. Seems you’ve now admitted they do in fact do that.

DP. This seems like an absurd level of hairsplitting that is ultimately irrelevant here because it has nothing to do with the case at hand. Do you have an actual point here, or are you just trying to disrupt the discussion?

It has a lot to do with the case at hand because DOJ has to show at least part of the crime happened in DC if they want to charge their. PP said that was easy because taking it out of the SCIF was the crime, but that is not in fact true if it was removed from the SCIF while Trump was President because in that case the removal would have been authorized. You may think it is hairsplitting, but this is exactly the type of analysis that a judge is going to engage in when deciding whether venue is proper. I guarantee that there are DOJ attorneys producing very long memos going through these issues.

The actions to illegally remove documents from the White House at the end of/after his term undeniably happened in DC. The White House is in DC. In addition, Trump’s obligation was to return the documents to an agency based in DC. It doesn’t matter if he was at MAL, Bedminster, or who knows where else at the time he directed people to withhold the docs and make the fraudulent misrepresentations, the criminal acts were directed toward an agency based in DC so that is a locus of the crime.

But Trump (if he's charged at all) will likely be charged with obstruction. And the obstruction of the federal investigation occurred in Florida, unless it could be proved from witness testimony and phone records that he directed the obstruction from Bedminster or Trump Tower.

If he's charged with stealing federal property, then yes the crimes occurred in DC. But he will have a lot of defenses to those charges because he didn't actually pack the boxes, and he may have been POTUS when the boxes were packed. If it could be proved that the records were shipped to Florida at his direct instruction after Biden was inaugurated on Jan. 20 2021, then the case could be filed in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:The SCI and other highly classified documents should have never been taken out of the SCIF in DC in the first place, so that crime is in DC.

What criminal statute do you think that violates?

That has been cited in this thread several times.

No, it hasn’t. Because an authorized person taking a classified document out of a SCIF is not a crime. If it were, we’d be sending security officers to jail all day for doing their jobs.