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So, you don't like the area you live in, and that's why you doubt the sincerity of people who say they want to add housing in it? Or, you do like the area you live in, but you don't want other people to live in it unless they have a lot of money?

I love the neighborhood I live in and I want more people to live here. It's a great mixed income neighborhood now but I know that any development will be for people with a lot of money. I think we should upzone every place that's close to transit though, and I find it curious the YIMBYs aren't interested in upzoning all neighborhoods, just the fancy ones. That very neatly aligns with developers' goals.

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DP. Not everyone can live where they want to live. That will never change in a capitalist society. My dream would be to live in a beachfront mansion with an infinity pool in Monterey, but I don’t have the money to do that. Too bad so sad for me. That’s life.

But more people could live in nice/convenient areas if there were more housing in those nice/convenient areas for more people to live in.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

Honestly it comes across like they think they are too good to live next to African Americans or poor people.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

So, you don't like the area you live in, and that's why you doubt the sincerity of people who say they want to add housing in it? Or, you do like the area you live in, but you don't want other people to live in it unless they have a lot of money?

DP. Not everyone can live where they want to live. That will never change in a capitalist society. My dream would be to live in a beachfront mansion with an infinity pool in Monterey, but I don’t have the money to do that. Too bad so sad for me. That’s life.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

So, you don't like the area you live in, and that's why you doubt the sincerity of people who say they want to add housing in it? Or, you do like the area you live in, but you don't want other people to live in it unless they have a lot of money?

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing? Do you live in Ward 3? Do you live in Ward 8? If you live in Ward 3, why did you decide to live there and not in Ward 8?

I don't know who you think "you" is, but it's not me. I live way out in Montgomery County, where the governor of Maryland wants to widen the highway to make it easier for people who live in new-housing-development sprawl in Frederick County and Washington County to drive to jobs in DC and Virginia.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Anonymous wrote:If housing prices ever went down, or even stopped going up as quickly, buildings would stop building because it wouldn't be worth it to them. Especially when inflation is driving their input costs up.

This is exactly right. These YIMBYs think housing is a commodity like corn. If you only produce enough prices will fall. But it’s not a commodity asset. Even if there was excess supply, if the price is low developers do not need to release it all into effectively a spot market at once. This happens all the time with rental apartments. When rents are down, construction schedules slow down. If a developer is unlucky enough to deliver at a time when rents dropped, they don’t reduce rents but offer incentives. Commercial real estate is the same, just like apartments they would rather retail space sit empty than reduce rents. They are always ready to wait out the market until conditions are more favorable. And many don’t mind making temporary losses to offset other gains for tax purposes.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

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Why would you increase housing in any location where the current density exceeds current infrastructure, like school capacity, city services, etc.?

Because it's better than increasing housing in locations where there currently isn't any infrastructure (like school capacity, city services, etc.) at all.

DP. For whom is it better? Infrastructure can be built or improved upon. Why give up on less dense communities like that? Is it because they are poorer? Or is it race related?

Please tell the "why would you increase housing in any location where the current density exceeds current infrastructure, like school capacity, city services, etc.?" PP that infrastructure can be improved upon.

Why do you only want infrastructure improved in Ward 3? Because that’s kind of what it sounds like.

Why don't you want infrastructure improved in Ward 3?

DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

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Anonymous wrote:If housing prices ever went down, or even stopped going up as quickly, buildings would stop building because it wouldn't be worth it to them. Especially when inflation is driving their input costs up.

Right, that's why 0 houses were built during the subprime mortgage crisis.

The same thing happens with rents. As soon as rents fall, new development stops.

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Anonymous wrote:If housing prices ever went down, or even stopped going up as quickly, buildings would stop building because it wouldn't be worth it to them. Especially when inflation is driving their input costs up.

Right, that's why 0 houses were built during the subprime mortgage crisis.

The number of homes built during the mortgage crisis fell by 80 percent. Builders are extremely price sensitive.

Anonymous wrote:If housing prices ever went down, or even stopped going up as quickly, buildings would stop building because it wouldn't be worth it to them. Especially when inflation is driving their input costs up.

Right, that's why 0 houses were built during the subprime mortgage crisis.