Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police say one of them already had one carjacking arrest earlier this year:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/shocking-video-shows-deadly-dc-uber-eats-carjacking-by-teen-girls

I don't knowbifbits correctbinformation, but that article said one of the girls has been involved in "several" robberies and carjacking. Surely they wouldn't let her go free repeatedly?

well it looks like they already have, repeatedly, otherwise she wouldn't have been in the Navy Yard last week. Where were her parents? Arrested several times before, at her age, and just allowed to go out (in the middle of the day on a school day). WTAF!!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police say one of them already had one carjacking arrest earlier this year:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/shocking-video-shows-deadly-dc-uber-eats-carjacking-by-teen-girls

I don't knowbifbits correctbinformation, but that article said one of the girls has been involved in "several" robberies and carjacking. Surely they wouldn't let her go free repeatedly?

Those are just property crimes. You need to learn how to keep your store safe. Like avoid driving your store in certain area or at certain times.

I have not read the entire thread, but I did read about the crime when it happened (I refused to watch the video). I was dismayed for the victim and his family. But this crime really hit me because I have two daughters who are 12 and a half and 15. Being involved in such a horrible crime just to steal a car (for fun I presume since they cannot certainly drive it at that age and apparently they did not even know how to do it since they crashed) at that young age. I just could not thinking what kind of horrid family life and environment could bring my girls to do something like that and it would have to be so horrid to be traumatic.

I am not a softie and I live in DC and certainly don't want to be murdered by an idiot 12 yr old, even one with a bad family life. however, I believe that these girls are also victims. one of them has been arrested multiple times this year for serious crimes like robberies and carjacking, crimes that can easily turn deadly especially when committed by a very young person. we should have a system under which a person that young who commits such a serious crime is helped right away in a way that she is re-educated instead of just waiting for a death and then we lock her up for life. I am not an expert, but maybe interventions like removing the child from the environment in which she is growing and taker her somewhere else, not a prison but a family-like environment where she can grow up and somehow be re-educated, not just in terms of schooling but in terms of learning how to live in society. I would not be surprised if these kids where also acting out at school, were behind in school, or missing school regularly, all red flags. in other words, yes we can lock them up and throw the key but there are other kids like that and maybe helping them in a manner than works can help them and us at the same time. one of my girls had almost the same age as Relisha Rudd when she disappeared and when that happened I had a similar reaction, seeing my shy, happy child and thinking about the desperate life that the little girl of the same age was having at the same time.

Wasn’t DC going to drop voting age to 16?

Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/agkarlracine/status/1375542605988134915?s=21

2 days ago, Racine tweets that he’s disgusted by acts of hate and yet throughout his Twitter feed no mention of this act of violence and stupidity.

Nope, it doesn’t fit his narrative that restorative justice and violence interrupters are the most effective ways to reduce crime and have been so successful. And he could care less about hate crimes committed by juveniles because he has no interest in stiffening their punishment. He likes to call out the US Attorneys office for not charging enough hate crimes, but his office does nothing to address hate crimes committed by juveniles.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really can't calm down. This really hit me to my core.

I teach kids in DC. I see it. All this Social Emotional Learning that we are engaged in, Restorative Justice...I believe in it. We work tirelessly and I mean tirelessly to support our students in every way possible. You don't see it, but I do. Every day. It's an uphill battle of enormous proportions and still I see the utter lack of disrespect.

It goes against what I'd like to believe but I still think these girls need to be locked up.


Have you considered that all this restorative justice, emotional learning is actually feeding this problem? If a person(s) has already killed someone before they reach adulthood, which sadly happens almost daily in DC, then maybe these aren't the people we should focus on.
At some point we need to throw out the garbage. Crime went down when Three strikes was law and criminals were in jail.

This reminds me of an episode from the season of the Wire which focused on the Baltimore schools. One of the retired police captains want to volunteer in the schools and is working with a social scientist researcher who wants to work with high school kids. The captain grimly tells the researcher that the teen years are too late for effecting change, and takes him to interview a 15 yo who has just been arrested for a violent crime. Ten minutes of talking to the 15 yo ---who has zero remorse, empathy and is all about trying to effectuate revenge--convinces the social scientist that the former captain is correct, and they focus their intervention program on a local middle school instead. Even then, their ability to positively change the trajectory of the most troubled studies is extremely limited.

I don't think that a 13 yo should be locked up for life, but I definitely don't think DC's Youth Rehabilitation Act, as currently practiced, is good policy for either the juveniles or their victims. Honestly, sending these kids away to a military like environment of high structure/high nurture for 10-12 years---completely away from their home environments---is what is needed to repattern their behavior. Catch & Release with a few poorly attended social programs is useless.

PP teacher here and I 100% agree with this. I work in an elementary school so my experience has always been with the little ones. But the writing is on the wall for some of my more troubled kids and most of the time, as they grow, you can see this behavior run in the families.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police say one of them already had one carjacking arrest earlier this year:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/shocking-video-shows-deadly-dc-uber-eats-carjacking-by-teen-girls

I don't knowbifbits correctbinformation, but that article said one of the girls has been involved in "several" robberies and carjacking. Surely they wouldn't let her go free repeatedly?

Correction..."accused"

Anonymous wrote:Police say one of them already had one carjacking arrest earlier this year:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/shocking-video-shows-deadly-dc-uber-eats-carjacking-by-teen-girls

I don't knowbifbits correctbinformation, but that article said one of the girls has been involved in "several" robberies and carjacking. Surely they wouldn't let her go free repeatedly?

Police say one of them already had one carjacking arrest earlier this year:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/shocking-video-shows-deadly-dc-uber-eats-carjacking-by-teen-girls

I believe they should be tried as adults.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really can't calm down. This really hit me to my core.

I teach kids in DC. I see it. All this Social Emotional Learning that we are engaged in, Restorative Justice...I believe in it. We work tirelessly and I mean tirelessly to support our students in every way possible. You don't see it, but I do. Every day. It's an uphill battle of enormous proportions and still I see the utter lack of disrespect.

It goes against what I'd like to believe but I still think these girls need to be locked up.


Have you considered that all this restorative justice, emotional learning is actually feeding this problem? If a person(s) has already killed someone before they reach adulthood, which sadly happens almost daily in DC, then maybe these aren't the people we should focus on.
At some point we need to throw out the garbage. Crime went down when Three strikes was law and criminals were in jail.

This reminds me of an episode from the season of the Wire which focused on the Baltimore schools. One of the retired police captains want to volunteer in the schools and is working with a social scientist researcher who wants to work with high school kids. The captain grimly tells the researcher that the teen years are too late for effecting change, and takes him to interview a 15 yo who has just been arrested for a violent crime. Ten minutes of talking to the 15 yo ---who has zero remorse, empathy and is all about trying to effectuate revenge--convinces the social scientist that the former captain is correct, and they focus their intervention program on a local middle school instead. Even then, their ability to positively change the trajectory of the most troubled studies is extremely limited.

I don't think that a 13 yo should be locked up for life, but I definitely don't think DC's Youth Rehabilitation Act, as currently practiced, is good policy for either the juveniles or their victims. Honestly, sending these kids away to a military like environment of high structure/high nurture for 10-12 years---completely away from their home environments---is what is needed to repattern their behavior. Catch & Release with a few poorly attended social programs is useless.

Didn’t see this show but agree with your message.
Teenagers know what they are doing. We treat people as if they are children prior to 18, and then actual use into adults at 18. That isn’t how growth and maturity work though.

At 12, 13, 15, if someone asks you to go and steal and car with them, you know what is up. 15 year olds may still have childish ways but they are not children.

*actualize

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really can't calm down. This really hit me to my core.

I teach kids in DC. I see it. All this Social Emotional Learning that we are engaged in, Restorative Justice...I believe in it. We work tirelessly and I mean tirelessly to support our students in every way possible. You don't see it, but I do. Every day. It's an uphill battle of enormous proportions and still I see the utter lack of disrespect.

It goes against what I'd like to believe but I still think these girls need to be locked up.


Have you considered that all this restorative justice, emotional learning is actually feeding this problem? If a person(s) has already killed someone before they reach adulthood, which sadly happens almost daily in DC, then maybe these aren't the people we should focus on.
At some point we need to throw out the garbage. Crime went down when Three strikes was law and criminals were in jail.

This reminds me of an episode from the season of the Wire which focused on the Baltimore schools. One of the retired police captains want to volunteer in the schools and is working with a social scientist researcher who wants to work with high school kids. The captain grimly tells the researcher that the teen years are too late for effecting change, and takes him to interview a 15 yo who has just been arrested for a violent crime. Ten minutes of talking to the 15 yo ---who has zero remorse, empathy and is all about trying to effectuate revenge--convinces the social scientist that the former captain is correct, and they focus their intervention program on a local middle school instead. Even then, their ability to positively change the trajectory of the most troubled studies is extremely limited.

I don't think that a 13 yo should be locked up for life, but I definitely don't think DC's Youth Rehabilitation Act, as currently practiced, is good policy for either the juveniles or their victims. Honestly, sending these kids away to a military like environment of high structure/high nurture for 10-12 years---completely away from their home environments---is what is needed to repattern their behavior. Catch & Release with a few poorly attended social programs is useless.

Didn’t see this show but agree with your message.
Teenagers know what they are doing. We treat people as if they are children prior to 18, and then actual use into adults at 18. That isn’t how growth and maturity work though.

At 12, 13, 15, if someone asks you to go and steal and car with them, you know what is up. 15 year olds may still have childish ways but they are not children.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've taken a lot out of our social fabric--prayer in school, Columbus Day, National Anthem. What have we put in that connects people, really? I have nothing against the taking something out if you put something in, but we haven't. Just a lot of lonely people on their phones out their and kids raising themselves apparently.

Weakest troll comment ever.

I would say more prayer is not to the answer and probably contributed to this tragedy. Organized religion and Christian prayer was used as a tool during slavery era to control and subdue slaves and to make them passively accept their plight. Christianity taught them to be obedient. Christianity also advocates for no birth control and keeping kids in the dark about sexuality. Essentially, sex is a sinful act unless it’s done in marriage. These kids are the legacy of Christian induced slavery, the legacy of poor family planning, poverty, and probably fatherless homes. All Christianity does is exacerbate problems. Instead of prayer and intangible efforts, how about funding programs to help alleviate the effects of the legacy of Christianity and slavery?

Be gone, Satan.

I agree 15 may be too late for some. And I also think that is tragic. I don’t know what the solution is, but I do know what we’re doing with DCYRA isn’t working for most. And I think it could be a huge benefit to the children and society if there was a tactful and humane way to identify these kids when they’re like 8 and provide them with a boarding school scenario. And I don’t mean a juvie precursor, I mean stable, nourishing boarding education.
One way to identify the children for this would be to approach the younger siblings that exist in the families where the 15 year olds are doing terrible shit like car jacking, robbing, etc.
And let me just clarify that plenty of children who are not AA would also benefit and be involved in this program.
The problem is this program will never exist because we are a capitalist society that is not built to address these issues.

Society providing a healthy and safe living situation, and education for all children who need it should be a no-brainer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really can't calm down. This really hit me to my core.

I teach kids in DC. I see it. All this Social Emotional Learning that we are engaged in, Restorative Justice...I believe in it. We work tirelessly and I mean tirelessly to support our students in every way possible. You don't see it, but I do. Every day. It's an uphill battle of enormous proportions and still I see the utter lack of disrespect.

It goes against what I'd like to believe but I still think these girls need to be locked up.


Have you considered that all this restorative justice, emotional learning is actually feeding this problem? If a person(s) has already killed someone before they reach adulthood, which sadly happens almost daily in DC, then maybe these aren't the people we should focus on.
At some point we need to throw out the garbage. Crime went down when Three strikes was law and criminals were in jail.

This reminds me of an episode from the season of the Wire which focused on the Baltimore schools. One of the retired police captains want to volunteer in the schools and is working with a social scientist researcher who wants to work with high school kids. The captain grimly tells the researcher that the teen years are too late for effecting change, and takes him to interview a 15 yo who has just been arrested for a violent crime. Ten minutes of talking to the 15 yo ---who has zero remorse, empathy and is all about trying to effectuate revenge--convinces the social scientist that the former captain is correct, and they focus their intervention program on a local middle school instead. Even then, their ability to positively change the trajectory of the most troubled studies is extremely limited.

I don't think that a 13 yo should be locked up for life, but I definitely don't think DC's Youth Rehabilitation Act, as currently practiced, is good policy for either the juveniles or their victims. Honestly, sending these kids away to a military like environment of high structure/high nurture for 10-12 years---completely away from their home environments---is what is needed to repattern their behavior. Catch & Release with a few poorly attended social programs is useless.

Yh point you missed is that you cannot return them to their former environment.