Anonymous
Post 02/23/2021 08:34     Subject: I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Abbott is now calling for regulation mandating winterization.


https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2021/02/19/gov--abbott-calls-for-mandatory-winterization-of-power-plants--proof-blackout-was-imminent

Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 21:43     Subject: I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
But there was a backup plan, or so it seems. That's not a backup plan that would be available after secession, at least not reliably so.

Seems like a good time to figure out what you're doing, Texas.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 21:39     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Natgas wellheads froze because the dumbass electricity providers shut off power to them when ERCOT told the providers to reduce usage.


I read this. It's unbelievable. They have no disaster plans in Texas apparently.


This is looking more and more like a complete, everyone involved is an absolute moron, cluster.

Companies that refused to winterize to save a short term buck
Public officials that actively chose not to mandate basic weatherization
Regulators that couldnt be bothered to watch the weather reports and adjust capacity
Electric companies that cut off their own source of fuel to save short term electricity
Citizens who saved a couple hundred bucks in the past but have now cost themselves thousands in costs
Elected leaders that ran away at the first sign of trouble

Wonder when they'll release the data on where, when and what happened on the supply side cross referenced with the demand statistics.


They left cold weather resilience up to the free market, and it appears there were no bidders for it.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 21:30     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:
Natgas wellheads froze because the dumbass electricity providers shut off power to them when ERCOT told the providers to reduce usage.


I read this. It's unbelievable. They have no disaster plans in Texas apparently.


This is looking more and more like a complete, everyone involved is an absolute moron, cluster.

Companies that refused to winterize to save a short term buck
Public officials that actively chose not to mandate basic weatherization
Regulators that couldnt be bothered to watch the weather reports and adjust capacity
Electric companies that cut off their own source of fuel to save short term electricity
Citizens who saved a couple hundred bucks in the past but have now cost themselves thousands in costs
Elected leaders that ran away at the first sign of trouble

Wonder when they'll release the data on where, when and what happened on the supply side cross referenced with the demand statistics.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 19:19     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is OP ever going to return and acknowledge that the problem was not wind turbines? I hope she and the dogs are okay.


Any "democrat" who calls themselves a "Dem" and listens to Tucker Carlson about the wind turbines is never coming back to update.


Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 19:17     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Natgas wellheads froze because the dumbass electricity providers shut off power to them when ERCOT told the providers to reduce usage.


I read this. It's unbelievable. They have no disaster plans in Texas apparently.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 19:09     Subject: I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Natgas wellheads froze because the dumbass electricity providers shut off power to them when ERCOT told the providers to reduce usage.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 16:35     Subject: I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Natural gas freeze was not at the delivery system but at the wellhead. Pipes performed fine into homes. It was getting gas from the fields into the pipelines that was the problem.

And before it goes down that road, economics and production profile of Texas/NM/Oklahoma wells are completely different from those in cold climates. One key difference is that wells in Texas produce a ton of water that has to be dealt with while that’s not as big of a problem on Most cold weather wells.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 16:34     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did they really lose natural gas? I’ve had homes with it since the 1980s and have never had an outage. One time about ten years ago it was shut off for maintenance in my area but it was planned and we were warned. I can always cook and shower in a power outage. Unthinkable that the water system would go out too, or was that people failing to keep their pipes from freezing?

I’m skeptical that people have already gotten big power bills. It sounds like a GoFundMe scam.



It was not normally a problem with retail distribution. Gas comes out of the ground with water in it, which can freeze. In addition, the temperature of that gas drops whenever the pressure of the gas drops, which can cause it to be many degrees lower than the surrounding environment. These things can cause freezing. But as natural gas is processed, the water is removed. And it travels to your house in a very low pressure, so even if there is some moisture, it should not freeze.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 15:40     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:Did they really lose natural gas? I’ve had homes with it since the 1980s and have never had an outage. One time about ten years ago it was shut off for maintenance in my area but it was planned and we were warned. I can always cook and shower in a power outage. Unthinkable that the water system would go out too, or was that people failing to keep their pipes from freezing?

I’m skeptical that people have already gotten big power bills. It sounds like a GoFundMe scam.


Natural gas will freeze in pipes at certain conditions unless extra expense is invested in protecting them. It looks like many people were not willing to do that, or didn't understand why they needed too, in an area without regulation for that.

How Texas’s Freeze Knocked Out 40% of U.S. Oil Output
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/how-texass-freeze-knocked-out-40percent-of-us-oil-output/2021/02/18/a2f5bfac-7232-11eb-8651-6d3091eac63f_story.html

The Arctic blast that knocked out power in 13 U.S. states in mid-February reduced oil production by more than 4 million barrels a day nationwide, according to traders and executives, as wells froze up and gas lines were clogged with ice. The cold itself interrupted oil production, as did the rolling electricity blackouts experienced throughout Texas and other states. Occidental Petroleum Corp., the second-largest producer in America’s biggest oil field, and Oryx Midstream Services both declared force majeure as they were forced to reduce deliveries of oil and gas.
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Natural gas, when pulled straight from shale wells as a byproduct of oil extraction, carries water vapors that can freeze and clog pipes. The well must then be closed off -- or “shut-in,” in the terminology of the industry. Another issue is with gas compressors, which are used to inject gas to pump liquids out of a well. At low temperatures, the gas that is injected into the well may liquefy inside the compressor, causing the equipment to go down and bringing the well to a halt. Then there’s the problem of the power outages that vexed Texas for several days. Oil production is vastly dependent on electricity supplied by the grid, so like other industries, it’s vulnerable to outages.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 15:30     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:Is OP ever going to return and acknowledge that the problem was not wind turbines? I hope she and the dogs are okay.

She could always send her dog to Fled Cruz.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 14:54     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:Is OP ever going to return and acknowledge that the problem was not wind turbines? I hope she and the dogs are okay.


Any "democrat" who calls themselves a "Dem" and listens to Tucker Carlson about the wind turbines is never coming back to update.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 14:42     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did they really lose natural gas? I’ve had homes with it since the 1980s and have never had an outage. One time about ten years ago it was shut off for maintenance in my area but it was planned and we were warned. I can always cook and shower in a power outage. Unthinkable that the water system would go out too, or was that people failing to keep their pipes from freezing?

I’m skeptical that people have already gotten big power bills. It sounds like a GoFundMe scam.

They did lose natural gas. The pipes froze.


Yes. A lot of pipes were run along outside walls or other places without sufficient protection from cold. That's going to be even less safe to rely on with increasing climate change.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 14:40     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Anonymous wrote:Did they really lose natural gas? I’ve had homes with it since the 1980s and have never had an outage. One time about ten years ago it was shut off for maintenance in my area but it was planned and we were warned. I can always cook and shower in a power outage. Unthinkable that the water system would go out too, or was that people failing to keep their pipes from freezing?

I’m skeptical that people have already gotten big power bills. It sounds like a GoFundMe scam.

They did lose natural gas. The pipes froze.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2021 14:39     Subject: Re:I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.
Is OP ever going to return and acknowledge that the problem was not wind turbines? I hope she and the dogs are okay.