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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

What about the 4,000 frozen embryos that were lost when a fertility clinic lost power last year? Why aren't you all up in arms about those 4,000 "babies who died"?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19298247/embryos-eggs-compromised-fertility-clinic-malfunction/

THANK YOU! 4000 "children" died! Who went to jail? Where were the prayer vigils?! You're a bunch of hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

What about the 4,000 frozen embryos that were lost when a fertility clinic lost power last year? Why aren't you all up in arms about those 4,000 "babies who died"?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19298247/embryos-eggs-compromised-fertility-clinic-malfunction/

Those embryos didn't result from some slut spreading her legs, so they're not really worth talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I’m “pro choice” and would disagree with you. I think every child deserves parents who will take care of it. That means mom getting good prenatal care (medicaid), nutrition (WIC) avoiding drugs and nicotine and alcohol, etc., so it will be born healthy.

I also think a woman who becomes pregnant should carry the pregnancy if they think they can. *if they think they can* I’d critical. And that as a country we should support them legally with things like job protections, protections against discrimination, and maternal leave— and financially if necessary, so women can have and care for babies if the choose. And *care for* is important— a social safety net and food, childcare and support after birth is essential.

I believe abortions should be safe, legal and as rare as possible.

But that’s my belief system. How I have chosen to live my life. I am not going to impose that on you. You need to make your own decisions for your family, your child and yourself, consulting with your doctor. Plus, your partner and your God, if you feel it’s appropriate. It’s a private decision.

I get to have an opinion. I get to voice my opinion and try to convince in a non-harassing, constructive manner that I am right. To vote for laws that make it easy for women to access contraception, like the ACA, and easier to care for the babies once they have them. But, I do not get to force my opinions on you.

You don’t criminalize first trimester abortion. You make it available for good cause in the second trimester— certainly life and health of mother, health of fetus. You don’t prosecute women for abusing an unborn child unless the behavior rises to a level that you would bring criminal charges if the baby was born. Not poor nutrition. Not a drug addiction you don’t support her in treating.

There is more than one way to be pro choice. Many of us would not personally choose abortion. But are not about to make the decision for other women— many of whom are in terrible situations we have never had to deal with.

Exactly. It's a private decision for a mother to make. Not something that is an automatic right for an embryo upon conception.

That said, I fully support making healthcare, including prenatal care, more accessible to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

Roe v Wade was a seriously flawed decision which needs to be modified or reversed.

Roe v Wade was flawed. The right to privacy was a made up thing at the time. But it is part of a line of a hugely important cases to the American pUblic. Right to access birth control, right to marry outside your race, right to engage in homosexual behavior, right to educate your children as you prefer (religious schooling), right to end medical “heroic measures”, right to compose your family as you see fit (it the context of laws banning multiple generations from living together”— these were all right to privacy cases.

If you get rid of the right to privacy, all these cases fall. Some, like being allowed to send kids to private or religious schools, conservative like.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

What about the 4,000 frozen embryos that were lost when a fertility clinic lost power last year? Why aren't you all up in arms about those 4,000 "babies who died"?

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19298247/embryos-eggs-compromised-fertility-clinic-malfunction/

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

Isn’t that what you’re doing?

Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

But there is.

See also: Alabama

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I’m “pro choice” and would disagree with you. I think every child deserves parents who will take care of it. That means mom getting good prenatal care (medicaid), nutrition (WIC) avoiding drugs and nicotine and alcohol, etc., so it will be born healthy.

I also think a woman who becomes pregnant should carry the pregnancy if they think they can. *if they think they can* I’d critical. And that as a country we should support them legally with things like job protections, protections against discrimination, and maternal leave— and financially if necessary, so women can have and care for babies if the choose. And *care for* is important— a social safety net and food, childcare and support after birth is essential.

I believe abortions should be safe, legal and as rare as possible.

But that’s my belief system. How I have chosen to live my life. I am not going to impose that on you. You need to make your own decisions for your family, your child and yourself, consulting with your doctor. Plus, your partner and your God, if you feel it’s appropriate. It’s a private decision.

I get to have an opinion. I get to voice my opinion and try to convince in a non-harassing, constructive manner that I am right. To vote for laws that make it easy for women to access contraception, like the ACA, and easier to care for the babies once they have them. But, I do not get to force my opinions on you.

You don’t criminalize first trimester abortion. You make it available for good cause in the second trimester— certainly life and health of mother, health of fetus. You don’t prosecute women for abusing an unborn child unless the behavior rises to a level that you would bring criminal charges if the baby was born. Not poor nutrition. Not a drug addiction you don’t support her in treating.

There is more than one way to be pro choice. Many of us would not personally choose abortion. But are not about to make the decision for other women— many of whom are in terrible situations we have never had to deal with.

I know it sounds awful, but yes, there are children who would have been better off not brought into this world.

Including that poor boy who was abused and killed by his parents. He never had a damn chance at life.

I love how you then say "Oh, well, the state should have saved him"

Really? Because most of the time, your side thinks people need to take personal responsibility and underfund programs that might have helped this child.

It's not about abortion, it is about autonomy. Either women own their bodies or they don't. Apparently our neighbors to the South seem to think women do not own their bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

Roe v Wade was a seriously flawed decision which needs to be modified or reversed.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.

LOL. I don't choose any more than you do. It's 100% up to the mothers.

Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

I approve of mothers who make the decision not to bring a child into a bad situation. You get to do you. See how that works.

I've gotta say that this is the worst argument ever in favor of abortion.

Here's your choice:

(1) don't live at all, or
(2) be in a horribly sh*tty situation that you might/might not escape.

Every human being ever would choose door #1.

The "abortion is saving kids from sh*tty lives" argument is preposterous.

+1

Also imagine the crazies who pass a death sentence on a baby because they don’t think the child will have a “good” childhood?

Especially THIS place, that features parents that battle to the death to get their precious into a chi-chi private and obsess over every aspect of their child’s life.

I don’t think dcum childhood standards should be considered the standard for every child.

If dcum has it’s way-and I know this to be true- a huge swath of black children would be killed in utero because of the quality of life issues they experience in childhood.

From reading here I have come to believe that liberals see abortion as a way of reducing the “undesirables,” as Sanger did.

They may not call it that, but they have embraced that actual solution quite openly.

It’s really sick. Kids should not be killed because they aren’t going to have dcum lives.

It is NOT about the kids' lives. They don't have lives yet. They are potential lives. They aren't truly a person until they are born.

It's about the mothers' lives. The living, breathing women who are here today. It's a shame you don't value them at all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Sorry. They don't "deserve" anything until they are born.

I wonder who you think you are to pretend you get to choose what millions of unborn babies deserve.