Anonymous
Post 09/04/2018 13:27     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'll go a step further. At U-15, Spirit didn't start their best striker, best midfielder, best defender, or best goalie. Make of that what you will, but I'd propose that winning games may not be their top priority.


That is a great theory, except Tom told the girls he wants wins. Also, best players according to you, I'm assuming?


Of course Tom "wants" to win, but with the 2004 team's cumulative record sitting at something like 2-27-3, I don't think he's ever prioritized winning over getting playing time for some of his "developing players".

Yes, best players according to me. Simply my opinion. Feel free to share yours.


NOT PP here
So how to you quantify "best" for each player you mention? Best striker - would that assume that she scores the most, creates the most scoring opportunities, what? Just trying to understand how you quantify best at striker - goals scored would be a leading indicator in my book, so then how many goals did your "best striker" score last year assuming she was with the Spirit (if not then looking at last year's stats is a moot point) Best mid fielder - this one could be a bit more subjective, but I would leverage assists as one of my indicators, unfortunately I do not think DA registers assists, so that may be a bit harder to track. With that being said, I would also look at the midfielder in terms of how she controls the mid field, does she win most tackles, does she have a high % of completed passes? Again, since DA does not track that it would be hard to tell unless you keep track of those stats yourself. Best defender - Again, going to be hard to track stats for this position as DA does not keep track of them, but much like midfielder, I would look at how she controls the center above, at, and in the 18. Does she win most of her tackles, what is her % of completed passes. Keeper - this one is a little easier, I would look at shots saved versus goals given up. Of course some of those numbers may be off if her D gives up on her and she is left out to dry, but still the shot/save % should be a good indicator of how good she is. I do not know enough about the team to give any opinions of who is "best" on that team at each position, but this is just my two cents on how I would go about quantifying best at each position if I did know enough.


This is soccer. You can't always "quantify" everything. Everyone can have an opinion. Those who know more about the game - because they've played, coached, watched, studied, lived & breathed it for years, tend to have better opinions than those who haven't.

For someone with a lot of expertise about the game, stats can be a valuable tool, because that person will know how to interpret them in the context of what they can see with their own eyes. For a novice, stats are worse than useless.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2018 13:25     Subject: Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Has there been any discussion of DA tracking assists and saves? It would be great for both development and recruiting if they started tracking these stats.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2018 13:19     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:

I'll go a step further. At U-15, Spirit didn't start their best striker, best midfielder, best defender, or best goalie. Make of that what you will, but I'd propose that winning games may not be their top priority.


That is a great theory, except Tom told the girls he wants wins. Also, best players according to you, I'm assuming?


Of course Tom "wants" to win, but with the 2004 team's cumulative record sitting at something like 2-27-3, I don't think he's ever prioritized winning over getting playing time for some of his "developing players".

Yes, best players according to me. Simply my opinion. Feel free to share yours.


NOT PP here
So how to you quantify "best" for each player you mention? Best striker - would that assume that she scores the most, creates the most scoring opportunities, what? Just trying to understand how you quantify best at striker - goals scored would be a leading indicator in my book, so then how many goals did your "best striker" score last year assuming she was with the Spirit (if not then looking at last year's stats is a moot point) Best mid fielder - this one could be a bit more subjective, but I would leverage assists as one of my indicators, unfortunately I do not think DA registers assists, so that may be a bit harder to track. With that being said, I would also look at the midfielder in terms of how she controls the mid field, does she win most tackles, does she have a high % of completed passes? Again, since DA does not track that it would be hard to tell unless you keep track of those stats yourself. Best defender - Again, going to be hard to track stats for this position as DA does not keep track of them, but much like midfielder, I would look at how she controls the center above, at, and in the 18. Does she win most of her tackles, what is her % of completed passes. Keeper - this one is a little easier, I would look at shots saved versus goals given up. Of course some of those numbers may be off if her D gives up on her and she is left out to dry, but still the shot/save % should be a good indicator of how good she is. I do not know enough about the team to give any opinions of who is "best" on that team at each position, but this is just my two cents on how I would go about quantifying best at each position if I did know enough.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 10:39     Subject: Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:Arlington U15’s:

17 man roster

14 players dressed

3 left off for unknown reason. Can dress 18

8 players played 80 minutes (entire game)

The remaining 6 players played the following minutes:

1 -22 min

1 – 16 min

1 – 58 min

1 – 64 min

1- 57 min

1 -23 min

As you can see, 11 players (strongest I presume) played the majority of the game. Since they keep an extremely small roster, they are no subjected to a big talent drop off. Smart on their part.

The game was 4-1 with 11 minutes left. At that point, it was a whooping!

After Penn Fusion made their subs, Arlington scored at 69 (11 minutes left) and 76 (4 minutes).

Now, I commend them for a hard fought game. I’m sure the will find plenty of success this year…but let’s not go overboard.

Arlington will be competitive because they will play their best the majority of minutes.

Some clubs don’t. Some clubs spread the love



New York City FC also keeps a consistently tight roster, even in this year’s opening games. It’s been very effective for them.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 10:11     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

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Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.


The implication was that their game was negatively impacted by the play ups, not because they suck but because they were going against a team that is 95% 2+ years older than them. It's only an insult if it were said about them when they play in their own age group. Not being able to play up doesn't mean a player isn't good. That's a huge misconception you have - and an insult to all the other players who don't play up.


It seems that you overlooked the 05 who played 90 minutes for Cedar Stars.

Playups are not the problem.


It’s not an insult to any player if they play in their own age group. Richmond United’s 04 NT player played all last year in her own age group and it seems she may continue with that trend if the scrimmages against FCV and Spirit are any indication. And she went all last year to ever single National team training and is ranked #2 in the country in the 04 age group (according to the NTC coaches). If she is that talented and played in her own age group, I don’t get what all the fuss is about.


Only two players were subbed when 2 of the first 3 goals were scored the rest of the sub’s came in after the 3rd goal. The fourth was scored shortly after the last overall sub went in.

3 of the 4 goals were scored with 9 of your original starters still in the game. This is not a playup problem. Please just stop.


It stops when you do. The times of the goals on the game reports are not always accurate (which happened repeatedly last year plus this game had starts and stops from the storm), but 2 of the 3 second half goals happened with two of the three 04s were out there and at least 4 total subs had been made, and the 4th happened right after the last one came on. Either you weren’t there or you weren’t watching, as your co me to suggest. Now please stop so you do t force this to get more ugly and specific.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 10:04     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.


The implication was that their game was negatively impacted by the play ups, not because they suck but because they were going against a team that is 95% 2+ years older than them. It's only an insult if it were said about them when they play in their own age group. Not being able to play up doesn't mean a player isn't good. That's a huge misconception you have - and an insult to all the other players who don't play up.


It seems that you overlooked the 05 who played 90 minutes for Cedar Stars.

Playups are not the problem.


It’s not an insult to any player if they play in their own age group. Richmond United’s 04 NT player played all last year in her own age group and it seems she may continue with that trend if the scrimmages against FCV and Spirit are any indication. And she went all last year to ever single National team training and is ranked #2 in the country in the 04 age group (according to the NTC coaches). If she is that talented and played in her own age group, I don’t get what all the fuss is about.


Only two players were subbed when 2 of the first 3 goals were scored the rest of the sub’s came in after the 3rd goal. The fourth was scored shortly after the last overall sub went in.

3 of the 4 goals were scored with 9 of your original starters still in the game. This is not a playup problem. Please just stop.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:57     Subject: Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:Can we take a break from talking about Spirit and talk about anything else please?


+1. This is beyond old and stale.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:54     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.


The implication was that their game was negatively impacted by the play ups, not because they suck but because they were going against a team that is 95% 2+ years older than them. It's only an insult if it were said about them when they play in their own age group. Not being able to play up doesn't mean a player isn't good. That's a huge misconception you have - and an insult to all the other players who don't play up.


It seems that you overlooked the 05 who played 90 minutes for Cedar Stars.

Playups are not the problem.


It’s not an insult to any player if they play in their own age group. Richmond United’s 04 NT player played all last year in her own age group and it seems she may continue with that trend if the scrimmages against FCV and Spirit are any indication. And she went all last year to ever single National team training and is ranked #2 in the country in the 04 age group (according to the NTC coaches). If she is that talented and played in her own age group, I don’t get what all the fuss is about.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:48     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.


The implication was that their game was negatively impacted by the play ups, not because they suck but because they were going against a team that is 95% 2+ years older than them. It's only an insult if it were said about them when they play in their own age group. Not being able to play up doesn't mean a player isn't good. That's a huge misconception you have - and an insult to all the other players who don't play up.


It seems that you overlooked the 05 who played 90 minutes for Cedar Stars.

Playups are not the problem.


No one overlooked her. They had al,it’s all 02s, one 03 and o e 05. There is also an 05 on FCV’s 04 roster.. That doesn’t mean that play ups didn’t contribute to the problem for WS, because they did. However saying that doesn’t mean they aren’t good players, because they are. They just weren’t able to have a positive impact in the game. They would have if they had played for the 04s.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:42     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.


The implication was that their game was negatively impacted by the play ups, not because they suck but because they were going against a team that is 95% 2+ years older than them. It's only an insult if it were said about them when they play in their own age group. Not being able to play up doesn't mean a player isn't good. That's a huge misconception you have - and an insult to all the other players who don't play up.


It seems that you overlooked the 05 who played 90 minutes for Cedar Stars.

Playups are not the problem.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:39     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.


The implication was that their game was negatively impacted by the play ups, not because they suck but because they were going against a team that is 95% 2+ years older than them. It's only an insult if it were said about them when they play in their own age group. Not being able to play up doesn't mean a player isn't good. That's a huge misconception you have - and an insult to all the other players who don't play up.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:29     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


Don't be ridiculous. These teenagers don't spend time on forums like these. Instagram, snapchat, they have their places they spend online, but they don't come here.

All of that said, these teenagers also know when they played well and when they didn't. They know when they have a good game and when they don't. So no matter what false praise or unfair criticism they may get, they don't look to a forum like this for confirmation.


You are missing the point. Although, that does not surprise me at all. Please let the advice sink in.


Lmao! Take your own advice and stop posting here. The whole tenor of this thread would change.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:26     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


Don't be ridiculous. These teenagers don't spend time on forums like these. Instagram, snapchat, they have their places they spend online, but they don't come here.

All of that said, these teenagers also know when they played well and when they didn't. They know when they have a good game and when they don't. So no matter what false praise or unfair criticism they may get, they don't look to a forum like this for confirmation.


You are missing the point. Although, that does not surprise me at all. Please let the advice sink in.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:23     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.


The implication was that your game got out of hand when the playups joined the game. That is an insult.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2018 09:19     Subject: Re:Girls DA 2018-19 Season

Anonymous wrote:Or to the parent’s face either.


I think you are overreacting. No one insulted them. They just said the truth: that playing up was too much of a stretch but that they were strong players who missed being able to contribute to a game in a meaningful way, not because they suck, because they weren't given a chance to play in their own age group. That's not an insult.