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Anonymous wrote:I hope Saturday Night Live is brave enough to take this one on...

Does SNL criticize liberals? (Haven't watched since college days.) You see what happens when people criticize an Antisemtitc Democrat.....it's night of the long knives!

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Anonymous wrote:I did provide it a few pages back. You missed it. This quote came from an interview Soros did with 60 minutes. The transcript of this interview I quoted from is in the Financial Times. The Jewish Virtual library was the one I posted a few pages back.

Are you ashamed of these sources?

Why can't you provide links? I was able to trace the first quote you provided to the Jewish Virtual Library. At the bottom of that page, it credited Wikipedia as its source. I went to Wikipedia and say that the fact that Soros had made the statement "wryly" was left out. Therefore, what the Jewish Virtual Library, and subsequently you, had reported as a serious remark was actually a joke. I am not ashamed of the Jewish Virtual Library, but you should be. I thought that you were opposed to spreading lies about Jews?

Regarding your second quote, when I Googled it, it came up on a few crazy sites including Glenn Beck's. One of the sites sourced it to a Harper's interview, but I couldn't find it on Harper's website. You now say it was from 60 Minutes via the Financial Times. Could you provide a link? I've seen the 60 Minutes interview and don't remember him saying anything like that. I'll watch it again now.

Anonymous wrote:That crazy 60 minutes! And the Financial Times!! OMG, the horror!!!

Anonymous wrote:I did provide it a few pages back. You missed it. This quote came from an interview Soros did with 60 minutes. The transcript of this interview I quoted from is in the Financial Times. The Jewish Virtual library was the one I posted a few pages back.

Are you ashamed of these sources?

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

Soros seems to be saying that the only way to get rid of Antisemtism is for ALL Jews to assimilate so they can't be recognized. That's pretty damn shitty, yes.

You sure love arguing with Jews, don't you? How about some condemnation for Trayon White, for his poor behavior? After all, he's the one who made a remark about the Rothschilds owning the World Bank, who associates with and donates to Farrakhan, who walks out of the Holocaust tour with a lie. But no, turn it around against Jews who have the audacity to object to that behavior.

I am the pp that provided that Soros quote. You are 100% correct

OK, but Jeff is trying to disparage you by questioning the source. (He's also disparaging me because the point I raised in the anti-Muslim thread he started, which actually supported his concern, wasn't stated clearly enough. Sure wish he'd give us half the benefit of the doubt that he gives to White.)

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

Soros seems to be saying that the only way to get rid of Antisemtism is for ALL Jews to assimilate so they can't be recognized. That's pretty damn shitty, yes.

You sure love arguing with Jews, don't you? How about some condemnation for Trayon White, for his poor behavior? After all, he's the one who made a remark about the Rothschilds owning the World Bank, who associates with and donates to Farrakhan, who walks out of the Holocaust tour with a lie. But no, turn it around against Jews who have the audacity to object to that behavior.

I am the pp that provided that Soros quote. You are 100% correct

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

I suggest that you hold off this discussion until the quotes are validated. The poster did not provide a source for the quotes and when I search for them, I only find really crazy sites. There is a lot of fake news being spread about Soros. Without a source, it is impossible to know if the quote is authentic.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I thought Sarah Palin was a symbol of everything wrong with the Republican national party in 2008, but I was still appalled at the sexism that characterized the attacks against her.

It is possible to both disagree with someone politically and recognize when they're right about prejudice...

That's what's happening here, in some instances. The Jews who are being raked over the coals for recognizing White's antisemtism and calling it like it is are being vilified because they are not going along with the liberals, and in this case it means to find ways to excuse or deny antisemitism among liberals. Now, if we were to bring up bigotry by conservatives, we'd be cheered on.

And they are being led on by the moderator. For shame!

Yes. Upthread, the moderator basically accused "certain posters on this thread" of supporting a hypothetical claim that George Soros controls the weather. So what he's doing is twisting around to give every benefit of the doubt to White, castigating any Jew who won't do the same, and then turning around and accusing them of the very thing - blaming someone else doe the weather - that White ACTUALLY did! It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

That was hyperbole. But, there are posters in this thread who stated that George Soros grew up in an anti-Semitic family, implying that Soros is himself anti-Semitic. Despite your claim to be deeply concerned about anti-Semitism, you have no interest in the constant anti-Semitism directed toward Soros and didn't blink an eye at the accusation that a Jew grew up in an anti-Semitic home (with his Jewish parents). You have repeated my hyperbolic claim several times as if I had meant it seriously, but couldn't once comment on the suggestion that George Soros is an anti-Semite. If you are worried about double standards, look in the mirror.

It was explained to you that while it is rare, it is not unheard of for Jews to be low-level anti-Semitic themselves. Soros himself admits that he came from an anti-Semitic home, and the other PP provided you with a quote. So why would I blink an eye? He himself admitted it. As to whether Soros himself is actually anti-Semitic, I couldn't say, as I am not particularly acquainted with his work. My guess would be he is not, but it's an interesting question. A research project for tomorrow.

I traced back the quote. The original quote said that Soros "wryly" said that he came from an anti-Semitic home. In other words, he was joking. Just like I was joking about Soros controlling the weather. It is really telling how you immediately accepted that George Soros authentically claimed to have been raised in an anti-Semitic home. You don't agree with Soros politically, so it is essentially open season on him.

The interpretation was that it was said 'wryly' - the interviewing author interpreted it as being said wryly. The quote I gave you was simply what Soros said, from his own mouth.

You didn't provide a source for your "quote". But if it came from the same interviewer who said that it was said "wryly", then you left out important context. Again, it is very telling that you so readily accept that Soros would seriously say such a thing. The man and his family escaped the Nazis. They witnessed first hand the horrors of anti-Semitism. Do you think that he would seriously call his own parents anti-Semites? It is so interesting how you so willingly passed on such a thing. No hesitation in throwing another Jew under the bus while claiming to be furious about anti-Semitism.

I did, actually. You simply didn't care to see it.

What is the source of your quote? Why don't you provide it? Are you ashamed of our source of information? When I search for that quote, I only find crazy sites that are obviously not trustworthy? Do you normally trust obvious troll sites as sources of information?

You already tried to pass off a joke that Soros made as a serious statement. Provide a link to your source so that we can determine whether this is a correct quote or not.

Anonymous wrote:I hope Saturday Night Live is brave enough to take this one on...

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

Soros seems to be saying that the only way to get rid of Antisemtism is for ALL Jews to assimilate so they can't be recognized. That's pretty damn shitty, yes.

You sure love arguing with Jews, don't you? How about some condemnation for Trayon White, for his poor behavior? After all, he's the one who made a remark about the Rothschilds owning the World Bank, who associates with and donates to Farrakhan, who walks out of the Holocaust tour with a lie. But no, turn it around against Jews who have the audacity to object to that behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone watch this 36 min video he uploaded?

Damn this is one stupid ass man

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

Soros seems to be saying that the only way to get rid of Antisemtism is for ALL Jews to assimilate so they can't be recognized. That's pretty damn shitty, yes.

You sure love arguing with Jews, don't you? How about some condemnation for Trayon White, for his poor behavior? After all, he's the one who made a remark about the Rothschilds owning the World Bank, who associates with and donates to Farrakhan, who walks out of the Holocaust tour with a lie. But no, turn it around against Jews who have the audacity to object to that behavior.

Saying the rothschilds control the world bank isn't anti Semitic , walking out of the holocaust museum isn't a crime ( though I'm not sure why he went there to begin with ), donating money to Farrakhan if in violation of campaign finance laws should be met with the appropriate reprimand .

What exactly would you consider anti-Semitic?

If Mr White had said Jews manipulate the weather , I'd consider it unequivocally anti Semite. He said no such thing .

Keep talking nonsense. It just underscores the ridiculous black privilege and double standards on display in DC politics.

If you say so, If someone uses words like Jewish influence or Jewish lobby they'd be anti Semite right ?

DP. Not that, but if someone said, "those powerful Jews," I would. I also consider people who donate to Farrakhan or go to his rallies anti-Semites.

Would you consider me a white supremacist if I donated money to David Duke or Richard Spencer, or went to one of their meetings? My guess is YES. My guess is if you found out about it and I was on the DC Council, you'd be screaming racist and demanding my ouster.