Anonymous wrote:I encourage all African-American's in this thread who are pointlessly debating with many posters who are stomping and cheering in celebration of this recent shift in focus by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division to consider the following...

This recent release of Segregation 2.0 could actually be beneficial for HBCU's as threats of litigation, costly reporting requirements or federal funding reductions could compel predominantly white Ivy League and large state universities to reduce the number of minority entrants, which could bolster enrollment at highly selective HBCU's like Howard University and Spelman College, and large public HBCU's like North Carolina A&T and Florida A&M.

Don't believe the hype people. Affirmative action being picked off by judicial conservatism at the highest levels may seem like a bad idea, but for the schools that exclusively serve the people whom will most be affected by its demise, it may reintroduce HBCU value to the nation and world. #LookForTheSilverLining

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Your answer doesn't make sense. Jews have strong family units, and blacks are seeing a breakdown in the family unit. The majority of black babies are born to unwed mothers, and this in turn leads to higher poverty and crime rates. You don't see this as a problem that accounts for the different success rates between blacks and Jews? I do.

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That's in the weeds. What this policy will do is push back on this shit and send the message to knock it off. Merit based or life gets more difficult and screw the arbitrary race based multicultural agenda. That's enough for me!

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Why do Jews have a stronger family unit than AAs? And is that purely modern phenomena or did this culture/behavior start in the past?

I'm the PP who said that about the strong family unit, but I have no idea why. And as far as whether this behavior is modern or started in the past, I am guessing it was present in the past, as well. But now that I think about it - stream of consciousness here! - I bet it had to do with survival. They were so persecuted over the centuries that they found strength in family units.

That then begs the question, why do blacks not exhibit the same behavior? They too have been persecuted over the centuries, but we see - in modern times at least - a breakdown in the family unit. Interesting, no?

What was the AA family unit like during slavery?

Same OP as above. I don't know, but I would also guess that it was strong - and for the same reason that the Jews had/have strong family units - survival.

But that begs the next question. Why have the Jews maintained their strong emphasis on intact families, yet in recent years there has been a breakdown iin intact black families. Any idea why?

White, non-Jewish person here.

This answer is....breathtaking. I'm not sure if it's breathtakingly stupid or breathtakingly disingenuous. But it's certainly breathtaking.

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Why do Jews have a stronger family unit than AAs? And is that purely modern phenomena or did this culture/behavior start in the past?

I'm the PP who said that about the strong family unit, but I have no idea why. And as far as whether this behavior is modern or started in the past, I am guessing it was present in the past, as well. But now that I think about it - stream of consciousness here! - I bet it had to do with survival. They were so persecuted over the centuries that they found strength in family units.

That then begs the question, why do blacks not exhibit the same behavior? They too have been persecuted over the centuries, but we see - in modern times at least - a breakdown in the family unit. Interesting, no?

What was the AA family unit like during slavery?

Same OP as above. I don't know, but I would also guess that it was strong - and for the same reason that the Jews had/have strong family units - survival.

But that begs the next question. Why have the Jews maintained their strong emphasis on intact families, yet in recent years there has been a breakdown iin intact black families. Any idea why?

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Anonymous wrote:White men used to rape blacks and it was ok. Then it stopped being OK. But then the white men weren't getting enough. So now it's OK for white men to rape blacks again.

It's OK for white men to rape blacks? I think you should go back on the full dosage. The half-dosage is making you delusional.

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action cannot continue indefinitely. Considering that blacks were getting preferential treatment in the 1970s, we are now on the third generation getting into college with standards lowered to allow it. Jews and Asians immigrated here, and even among the poor, uneducated ones, their kids went to college on their own merits. How many more generations is this supposed to last?

I support color-blind, income-based affirmative action. Let's give all bright poor kids a chance, regardless of race.

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action cannot continue indefinitely. Considering that blacks were getting preferential treatment in the 1970s, we are now on the third generation getting into college with standards lowered to allow it. Jews and Asians immigrated here, and even among the poor, uneducated ones, their kids went to college on their own merits. How many more generations is this supposed to last?

I support color-blind, income-based affirmative action. Let's give all bright poor kids a chance, regardless of race.

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You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

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Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

This is the typical defense of the coward. A heinous crime is justified because someone else committed it too. And it's such an exaggeration that blacks were slave owners in America. Even if it was true it pales in comparison to the scale of white slave owners.

Did someone say that slavery was justified? And you are clearly not understanding the point. The point is not that some "blacks were slave owners." The point is that many blacks like to point out that their ancestors were raped by cruel white slaveowners, while conveniently omitting the logical implication that this means that they themselves are descendants of those cruel white slaveowners and are in no position to be condemning other people's ancestry.

So are you saying if a black man rapes your wife and your daughter then your progeny will claim black ancestry as as theirs and celebrate it.

It doesn't matter what they "claim" or "celebrate." If you are the product of a rape, your father is a rapist. It doesn't matter if you "claim" or "celebrate" him. He is your father. You may not like him, but you are his descendent and there is nothing you can do about it. If your white great-great-great grandfather raped your black great-great-great grandmother, you are just as much a descendant of the white rapist as the black victim. He is just as much as part of your family as she is.

My point is not that descendants of bad people should feel ashamed or guilty. I'm just pointing out the common hypocrisy that so much of black identity is based on "white oppressors enslaved/raped by ancestors" when you are often literally descended from those white oppressors yourself. If white people are implicated by what their ancestors did, then so are you.

Anonymous wrote:Opponents of affirmative action typically point to black or Latino students with lower grades and test scores than rejected white applicants.
But grades and standardized test scores are an incomplete and imprecise measure of merit.
No one - including the people who give the grades and write the tests - thinks they should be the only considerations.
Moreover, grades aren’t comparable between schools, so admissions officers also have to consider the difficulty of classes, the competitiveness of schools, and the extent of grade inflation.
Meanwhile, standardized test scores reflect well-documented racial and socioeconomic biases.
There’s no formula for how to account for all of this, so even looking at grades and test scores alone involves an inherently subjective and holistic evaluation.
Lawyers and courts can’t tell a university how to do this.