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Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

I think they changed this after parents freaked out.

Good. I am so tired of parents/coaches allowing/encouraging their kids to play up an age group. There are so few kids who truly, truly need to play up. To play up, they should be noticeably BIGGER, SMARTER, and BORED within their own age group.

It's kind of like gifted programs -- they used to be for the outliers. Now too many parents think their kid is "challenged" only if he/she is playing up.

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Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

I think they changed this after parents freaked out.

Good. I am so tired of parents/coaches allowing/encouraging their kids to play up an age group. There are so few kids who truly, truly need to play up. To play up, they should be noticeably BIGGER, SMARTER, and BORED within their own age group.

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Anonymous wrote:So if your kid is doing well on an A-team, what is there to complain about? Which teams are losing all the players, A-teams, B-teams, or all the teams?

I am not sure who is spreading rumors of VYS losing players. If anything, we are seeing the opposite - players coming back after sampling what other clubs have to offer.

They're not rumors. Our experience with VYS has been abysmally bad. But, I'm coming at it from a completely different perspective. Our daughter tried out last year and made the B-level team. We expected her skills to improve over the course of the year, but they regressed. In fact, the team did not win a SINGLE game after October. Not one. The players are dispirited, lethargic, and have less soccer intelligence than they started the year with.

When tryouts came around this year, our daughter belonged on a team below where she was this year. Oh no, VYS promoted her to the top team. I PROMISE you she is not ready for that level of competition. I know for a fact that 8 of 11 girls on our team are leaving VYS this coming year. We are too.

VYS has NO IDEA what it's doing. They've experienced a substantial talent player and employee talent drain over each of the last 3 years and it only appears to be getting worse.

As opposed to abysmally good?

Also difficult to see how kids can come away with less soccer intelligence than they had going in, unless they're just not that good. My kids always seemed to have sharper instincts the more they played regardless of the quality of the coaching.

VYS has had its problems, certainly. But if the club has experienced a player drain, much of what I've seen is panicked parents thinking their kids are better than they are and using club problems as an excuse. Some "talent" has left, certainly, as has always been the case. But a lot more of the departures have been average players who've bought into the idea that the grass is always greener. We'll see.

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Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

I think they changed this after parents freaked out.

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Anonymous wrote:So if your kid is doing well on an A-team, what is there to complain about? Which teams are losing all the players, A-teams, B-teams, or all the teams?

I am not sure who is spreading rumors of VYS losing players. If anything, we are seeing the opposite - players coming back after sampling what other clubs have to offer.

They're not rumors. Our experience with VYS has been abysmally bad. But, I'm coming at it from a completely different perspective. Our daughter tried out last year and made the B-level team. We expected her skills to improve over the course of the year, but they regressed. In fact, the team did not win a SINGLE game after October. Not one. The players are dispirited, lethargic, and have less soccer intelligence than they started the year with.

When tryouts came around this year, our daughter belonged on a team below where she was this year. Oh no, VYS promoted her to the top team. I PROMISE you she is not ready for that level of competition. I know for a fact that 8 of 11 girls on our team are leaving VYS this coming year. We are too.

VYS has NO IDEA what it's doing. They've experienced a substantial talent player and employee talent drain over each of the last 3 years and it only appears to be getting worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:
What is the difference between all of VYS's teams? ODSL, WAGS, NCSL, VPL????

WITHIN VYS ... this is a relatively easy question to answer ...

VYS puts its top teams in the U11-U19 age groups in VPL. (One team per age group.)

Most of the other teams (A-C teams at U9/U10, B/C teams at older age groups) are in NCSL (boys) or WAGS (girls). NCSL and WAGS are merging, anyway.

The remaining teams (D teams, maybe an occasional C team) play in ODSL.

What are people's experiences with these teams? What's VPL? Why is it for the A-teams?

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Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

Cruel? Seriously, Cruel? I can see the commercial now. Sarah McLachlan's "Angel" playing in the background over footage of sweaty, muddy faced undersized kids looking sad playing soccer.

Will somebody please think about the children?!?!?!?

Ha!

In any case, PAC is doing this at some older age groups, but not all. And like all clubs, they'll have enough turnover that some teams will be adjusted, anyway.

I think at least one VYS team is doing this as well.

Anonymous wrote:Question:
What is the difference between all of VYS's teams? ODSL, WAGS, NCSL, VPL????

WITHIN VYS ... this is a relatively easy question to answer ...

VYS puts its top teams in the U11-U19 age groups in VPL. (One team per age group.)

Most of the other teams (A-C teams at U9/U10, B/C teams at older age groups) are in NCSL (boys) or WAGS (girls). NCSL and WAGS are merging, anyway.

The remaining teams (D teams, maybe an occasional C team) play in ODSL.

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Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

Cruel? Seriously, Cruel? I can see the commercial now. Sarah McLachlan's "Angel" playing in the background over footage of sweaty, muddy faced undersized kids looking sad playing soccer.

Will somebody please think about the children?!?!?!?

Ha!

In any case, PAC is doing this at some older age groups, but not all. And like all clubs, they'll have enough turnover that some teams will be adjusted, anyway.

Question:
What is the difference between all of VYS's teams? ODSL, WAGS, NCSL, VPL????

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

Cruel? Seriously, Cruel? I can see the commercial now. Sarah McLachlan's "Angel" playing in the background over footage of sweaty, muddy faced undersized kids looking sad playing soccer.

Will somebody please think about the children?!?!?!?

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Anonymous wrote: I understand that parents or kids might want to stick with their prior year team, especially those who are new to travel soccer, but the question is whether anyone actually plans to leave their club or quit travel soccer because of the change?

Where would you go? All travel soccer teams are required to make same move, so no one would leave for another club because of the change.

The more relevant question is how many kids quit soccer and pick up another sport they can play with their friends instead.

Where would you go if you can't tolerate the change?

You could move your team to a club that permits the team to stay together with the younger kids playing up.
You could move your team to rec.
You could permit/urge your child to quit soccer entirely to pick up another sport he can play with his friends.

My question: is anyone actually planning to do any of these things for the Fall because they are so unhappy about the birth year mandate?

Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

What a huge and stupid mistake. Cruel even to those kids.

Some clubs are simply having the younger seven months of players "play up" so the team stays together. I the PAC is doing this.

Anonymous wrote: I understand that parents or kids might want to stick with their prior year team, especially those who are new to travel soccer, but the question is whether anyone actually plans to leave their club or quit travel soccer because of the change?

Where would you go? All travel soccer teams are required to make same move, so no one would leave for another club because of the change.

The more relevant question is how many kids quit soccer and pick up another sport they can play with their friends instead.