Anonymous
04/14/2014 07:29
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
When people need to fudge data and lie about it to the public, these are real issues that can't be ignored.
Regardless, this thread is about CC.
So again, what format are the tests in, including SAT and ACT, since they will be changed to accommodate CC? How will that change private schools?
Remember, that the elite who send their kids to private aren't worried about ACT and SAT because their kids will be accepted to the college of their choice based on who they are, not what they score.
Regardless, this thread is about CC.
So again, what format are the tests in, including SAT and ACT, since they will be changed to accommodate CC? How will that change private schools?
Remember, that the elite who send their kids to private aren't worried about ACT and SAT because their kids will be accepted to the college of their choice based on who they are, not what they score.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 23:23
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Again, whatever it is you think you have is not relevant as dozens of scientists all around the globe are independently arriving at the same conclusions that the hockey stick is real and that climate change accelerated rapidly with and correlates strongly with the Industrial Revolution. They are also all arriving at the conclusion that what we have done since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution - basically burning tens of millions of years worth of accumulated biomass that had been turned into coal and other fossil fuels has a far greater impact on atmosphere and climate than all natural causes combined. Consider natural forest fires in a given year, for example - and then multiply them by tens of millions and you will arrive at human impacts. Similarly, volcanic and other sources are dwarfed by human inputs. And, all of this is accelerating natural inputs as well - as climate warms, permafrost thaws, releasing methane, et cetera.
Meanwhile, what kind of conclusive science or predictive analysis have the climate deniers and skeptics come up with?
ZILCH. NADA. NOTHING.
Meanwhile, what kind of conclusive science or predictive analysis have the climate deniers and skeptics come up with?
ZILCH. NADA. NOTHING.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 21:42
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
I'm not referring to him. I'm referring too the UK/email issypue
Anonymous
04/13/2014 20:12
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
If you are referring to Michael Mann, that allegation of "fudging" is not correct - numerous independent investigations and reviews found no evidence of wrongdoing on his part, aside from the fact that since he published his research back in 1998, over a dozen other other scientists have since independently been able to corroborate what Mann showed via other data sources. In the 16 years since the "Hockey Stick" graph first came out, not only has his research not been refuted by anyone - what he showed has in fact been independently confirmed by science several times over.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 18:56
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
And in Texas, historically, the state has decided that science is not something that is right for the children of Texas. And since Texas is a large market, the textbook publishers all adjusted their textbooks accordingly, so that children in other states didn't get to learn science either.
So what you are saying here is Texas is completely eliminating all science from their curriculum?
No, Texas is not eliminating all science. Texas has tried to eliminate all science it disagrees with. Historically that has meant evolution. It now includes climate change, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0
Climate change is not a proven hard science - there should be some room for debate there. And that's the issue Texans, and a lot of other folk have.
There should be both sides of the coin presented. When one group, be it left or right, is intent on only teaching THEIR side, there is something very, very wrong.
And this is exactly the problem with local control. There is no "both sides of the coin" for science the on evolution and climate change. There is only the science side, and the non-science side.
At this point, climate change and evolution are a "theory" every bit as much as gravity is a "theory". Whether climate change or evolution, we have a VAST corpus of evidence and knowledge to support it, we know what causes it, we know what it does, we know how it works, we know why it works, we know when it happened, why it happens, we know what does and doesn't influence it, we can re-create it in laboratory conditions - whereas NONE of the "skeptics" can say the same. Last year there were around 10,000 scholarly articles, research papers, and other documents published on climate change, by over 13,000 independent scientists. Only TWO of those papers denied human influence in climate change. There is no "other side" to speak of, other than among the science illiterate. The only reason there's any sense of a "debate" or "other side" is because the Koch Brothers have pumped, literally, a billion dollars into a massive propaganda campaign, using FOX News, Heritage Foundation, Americans For Prosperity, Competetive Enterprise Institute, Cato Institute and dozens of others as their paid mouthpiece to sow doubt. Note that they did not spend any of the billion on actual science - because they know they cannot win that battle - the science is crystal clear. Instead, they have waged a propaganda war - and the ONLY reason there are "skeptics" is because the so-called "skeptics" have bought into the nonsense that the Koch Brothers put out there.
The Koch Brothers are complete demons
Good LORD!
There has been some fudged data. That I DO know. Climates change. Is it caused by man to the degree that liberals say it is? If so, then I guess Gore, Obama, etc. ought to give up those private planes
Anonymous
04/13/2014 18:53
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All the anti common core posters: I would love to know of you can explain the WHY CC was initiated and what we can do to address the really serious problem it was intended to solve?
Thanks.
I agree with the premise of CC, that kids should be able to move from A to B and have some consistency. The guidelines are not bad. It's that people from too on high are dictated HOW to get these kids to learn those goals, not teachers in the classroom.
Public schools are not run like a business, they are run like the government department they are and those have been proven time and again to be inefficient - and they can't fail like a business can. Add unions and things get infinitely worse. That's why you will never see the elite in government sending their kids to public. That's why the wealthy send their kids to private.
Until public schools can truly fail like a business, there will be no incentive to improve them.
All CC is doing is making a lot of people money.
I am wondering exactly what "public schools can truly fail like a business" means. Fail like Enron? Fail like the Lehman Brothers? Fail like General Motors?
Yes, public schools are not run like a business. BECAUSE THEY AREN'T A BUSINESS.
And therein lies the issue. There is no real consequence in the failure except for those that the system has failed.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 18:52
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
And in Texas, historically, the state has decided that science is not something that is right for the children of Texas. And since Texas is a large market, the textbook publishers all adjusted their textbooks accordingly, so that children in other states didn't get to learn science either.
So what you are saying here is Texas is completely eliminating all science from their curriculum?
No, Texas is not eliminating all science. Texas has tried to eliminate all science it disagrees with. Historically that has meant evolution. It now includes climate change, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0
Climate change is not a proven hard science - there should be some room for debate there. And that's the issue Texans, and a lot of other folk have.
There should be both sides of the coin presented. When one group, be it left or right, is intent on only teaching THEIR side, there is something very, very wrong.
Except that the amount of "science" against climate change is very small in comparison to science in favor of it. So the two sides can't really be given equal weight in the classroom.
Except what you have documentation via email that data was fudged, then the science was compromised.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 18:51
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And for the person that says anyone can just stamp common core on the bottom of a worksheet, what does that tell you about implementation? Is that what you want for the children of this nation?
It is the job of the teacher and the local school to educated students so they meet the Common Core State Standards by the end of the year.
To do that they can use any materials they want -- or no materials. THey can scratch letters out on sand tablets, they can use McGuffy Readers, they can buy XYZ workbooks from PDQ publishing company, they can use flashcards, they can use trade books with teacher created worksheets; they can have kids create dioramas, they can present all instruction in iambic pentameter -- HOW they teach the kids the knowledge and skills to meet the standards is up to them. They know the kids, they know best what instruction the kids need in order to meet the requirements. And very likely there will be may ways to help the kids reach those standards.
So implementation will be varied. That's why the kids will all take the same test on the same standards at the end of the year -- so you can see who reached the standards and who did not.
In what format is the test written? How does the test present the standards to the children? What format are they in?
Anonymous
04/13/2014 12:47
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
And in Texas, historically, the state has decided that science is not something that is right for the children of Texas. And since Texas is a large market, the textbook publishers all adjusted their textbooks accordingly, so that children in other states didn't get to learn science either.
So what you are saying here is Texas is completely eliminating all science from their curriculum?
No, Texas is not eliminating all science. Texas has tried to eliminate all science it disagrees with. Historically that has meant evolution. It now includes climate change, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0
Climate change is not a proven hard science - there should be some room for debate there. And that's the issue Texans, and a lot of other folk have.
There should be both sides of the coin presented. When one group, be it left or right, is intent on only teaching THEIR side, there is something very, very wrong.
Except that the amount of "science" against climate change is very small in comparison to science in favor of it. So the two sides can't really be given equal weight in the classroom.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 10:46
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
And in Texas, historically, the state has decided that science is not something that is right for the children of Texas. And since Texas is a large market, the textbook publishers all adjusted their textbooks accordingly, so that children in other states didn't get to learn science either.
So what you are saying here is Texas is completely eliminating all science from their curriculum?
No, Texas is not eliminating all science. Texas has tried to eliminate all science it disagrees with. Historically that has meant evolution. It now includes climate change, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0
Climate change is not a proven hard science - there should be some room for debate there. And that's the issue Texans, and a lot of other folk have.
There should be both sides of the coin presented. When one group, be it left or right, is intent on only teaching THEIR side, there is something very, very wrong.
And this is exactly the problem with local control. There is no "both sides of the coin" for science the on evolution and climate change. There is only the science side, and the non-science side.
At this point, climate change and evolution are a "theory" every bit as much as gravity is a "theory". Whether climate change or evolution, we have a VAST corpus of evidence and knowledge to support it, we know what causes it, we know what it does, we know how it works, we know why it works, we know when it happened, why it happens, we know what does and doesn't influence it, we can re-create it in laboratory conditions - whereas NONE of the "skeptics" can say the same. Last year there were around 10,000 scholarly articles, research papers, and other documents published on climate change, by over 13,000 independent scientists. Only TWO of those papers denied human influence in climate change. There is no "other side" to speak of, other than among the science illiterate. The only reason there's any sense of a "debate" or "other side" is because the Koch Brothers have pumped, literally, a billion dollars into a massive propaganda campaign, using FOX News, Heritage Foundation, Americans For Prosperity, Competetive Enterprise Institute, Cato Institute and dozens of others as their paid mouthpiece to sow doubt. Note that they did not spend any of the billion on actual science - because they know they cannot win that battle - the science is crystal clear. Instead, they have waged a propaganda war - and the ONLY reason there are "skeptics" is because the so-called "skeptics" have bought into the nonsense that the Koch Brothers put out there.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 07:19
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All the anti common core posters: I would love to know of you can explain the WHY CC was initiated and what we can do to address the really serious problem it was intended to solve?
Thanks.
I agree with the premise of CC, that kids should be able to move from A to B and have some consistency. The guidelines are not bad. It's that people from too on high are dictated HOW to get these kids to learn those goals, not teachers in the classroom.
Public schools are not run like a business, they are run like the government department they are and those have been proven time and again to be inefficient - and they can't fail like a business can. Add unions and things get infinitely worse. That's why you will never see the elite in government sending their kids to public. That's why the wealthy send their kids to private.
Until public schools can truly fail like a business, there will be no incentive to improve them.
All CC is doing is making a lot of people money.
I am wondering exactly what "public schools can truly fail like a business" means. Fail like Enron? Fail like the Lehman Brothers? Fail like General Motors?
Yes, public schools are not run like a business. BECAUSE THEY AREN'T A BUSINESS.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 07:15
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
And in Texas, historically, the state has decided that science is not something that is right for the children of Texas. And since Texas is a large market, the textbook publishers all adjusted their textbooks accordingly, so that children in other states didn't get to learn science either.
So what you are saying here is Texas is completely eliminating all science from their curriculum?
No, Texas is not eliminating all science. Texas has tried to eliminate all science it disagrees with. Historically that has meant evolution. It now includes climate change, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0
Climate change is not a proven hard science - there should be some room for debate there. And that's the issue Texans, and a lot of other folk have.
There should be both sides of the coin presented. When one group, be it left or right, is intent on only teaching THEIR side, there is something very, very wrong.
And this is exactly the problem with local control. There is no "both sides of the coin" for science the on evolution and climate change. There is only the science side, and the non-science side.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 07:12
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
And for the person that says anyone can just stamp common core on the bottom of a worksheet, what does that tell you about implementation? Is that what you want for the children of this nation?
It is the job of the teacher and the local school to educated students so they meet the Common Core State Standards by the end of the year.
To do that they can use any materials they want -- or no materials. THey can scratch letters out on sand tablets, they can use McGuffy Readers, they can buy XYZ workbooks from PDQ publishing company, they can use flashcards, they can use trade books with teacher created worksheets; they can have kids create dioramas, they can present all instruction in iambic pentameter -- HOW they teach the kids the knowledge and skills to meet the standards is up to them. They know the kids, they know best what instruction the kids need in order to meet the requirements. And very likely there will be may ways to help the kids reach those standards.
So implementation will be varied. That's why the kids will all take the same test on the same standards at the end of the year -- so you can see who reached the standards and who did not.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 07:12
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
And in Texas, historically, the state has decided that science is not something that is right for the children of Texas. And since Texas is a large market, the textbook publishers all adjusted their textbooks accordingly, so that children in other states didn't get to learn science either.
So what you are saying here is Texas is completely eliminating all science from their curriculum?
No, Texas is not eliminating all science. Texas has tried to eliminate all science it disagrees with. Historically that has meant evolution. It now includes climate change, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/education/texas-education-board-flags-biology-textbook-over-evolution-concerns.html?_r=0
Climate change is not a proven hard science - there should be some room for debate there. And that's the issue Texans, and a lot of other folk have.
There should be both sides of the coin presented. When one group, be it left or right, is intent on only teaching THEIR side, there is something very, very wrong.
Anonymous
04/13/2014 07:09
Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:All the anti common core posters: I would love to know of you can explain the WHY CC was initiated and what we can do to address the really serious problem it was intended to solve?
Thanks.
I agree with the premise of CC, that kids should be able to move from A to B and have some consistency. The guidelines are not bad. It's that people from too on high are dictated HOW to get these kids to learn those goals, not teachers in the classroom.
Public schools are not run like a business, they are run like the government department they are and those have been proven time and again to be inefficient - and they can't fail like a business can. Add unions and things get infinitely worse. That's why you will never see the elite in government sending their kids to public. That's why the wealthy send their kids to private.
Until public schools can truly fail like a business, there will be no incentive to improve them.
All CC is doing is making a lot of people money.