Anonymous
09/27/2013 10:33
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
To add, Mr. Brown's regret is worthy of sympathy, but I wish he would set an example and fully own it and be completely responsible for it, rather than make excuses and slander the bio mom. It just seems like he's constantly trying to deflect from his decisions.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 10:29
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.
Then you would be a selfish prick who deserves the pain that will inevitably come when this child reaches adulthood and learns that she was kept from her willing biological family.
You are not entitled to someone else's child. Damn, when did legality trump morality with some of you people?! (And even the legal issue is suspect in this case)
I wonder how some of you would feel if the biological mother suddenly wanted to take care of the little girl. Would you be as forgiving, for biology's sake?
Of course they would. Many see fathers as superfluous. It's amazing to me how some women think that being pro-woman must equal being anti-men. Sad indeed.
Considering the slandering and personal bashing of the biological mom, I highly doubt the same people would favor returning Veronica to her, if the mother changed her mind. I'm not anti men, but I don't think you can relinquish responsibility for your child, and then later decide that was a mistake, and expect to have things carry on like there's no problem. I do believe Mr. Brown loves his daughter, and that he now wants her. But you just cannot change your mind when it comes to a child. I hope the Capobiancos will include him and allow him to see and visit with Veronica, but I do believe the right decision was made. Biology doesn't make you a good or better parent - whether you're male or female, biological mother or biological father.
While biology may not make you a better parent, it is the moral thing to do. Folks are getting caught up in the legality of this issue. I do believe that parents have a right to realize they made a mistake. The infant was 4 months old when he started this battle. That is not an unreasonable amount of time to realize his error.
Why is "biology" the moral thing to do, if being a good/better parent is not dependent on it? Yes, parents make mistakes, but signing away your child is not like forgetting to make an appointment. I feel for Dusten Brown, but you can't just choose "ok, now I'm ready" when it comes to caring and being responsible for your child. You have to be fully in it from the get-go.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 10:23
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.
Then you would be a selfish prick who deserves the pain that will inevitably come when this child reaches adulthood and learns that she was kept from her willing biological family.
You are not entitled to someone else's child. Damn, when did legality trump morality with some of you people?! (And even the legal issue is suspect in this case)
I wonder how some of you would feel if the biological mother suddenly wanted to take care of the little girl. Would you be as forgiving, for biology's sake?
Of course they would. Many see fathers as superfluous. It's amazing to me how some women think that being pro-woman must equal being anti-men. Sad indeed.
Considering the slandering and personal bashing of the biological mom, I highly doubt the same people would favor returning Veronica to her, if the mother changed her mind. I'm not anti men, but I don't think you can relinquish responsibility for your child, and then later decide that was a mistake, and expect to have things carry on like there's no problem. I do believe Mr. Brown loves his daughter, and that he now wants her. But you just cannot change your mind when it comes to a child. I hope the Capobiancos will include him and allow him to see and visit with Veronica, but I do believe the right decision was made. Biology doesn't make you a good or better parent - whether you're male or female, biological mother or biological father.
While biology may not make you a better parent, it is the moral thing to do. Folks are getting caught up in the legality of this issue. I do believe that parents have a right to realize they made a mistake. The infant was 4 months old when he started this battle. That is not an unreasonable amount of time to realize his error.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 09:51
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:If the adoption were ethical from the get go, informed consent of BOTH parents, then I would have sided with these adoptive parents. They deliberately kept the father in the dark about the adoption plans.
Do people not understand what relinquishing custody means? It doesn't mean "I forfeit my rights, but you also forfeit your rights to make further decisions and must do all the raising." It means you sign your right to make any decisions at all. You are no longer a decision-making party. I understand maybe Mr. Brown wishes he were notified about the adoption plans, but he willingly signed away his right to have any input. He made that choice. It's not about male/female, father/mother, but about just having basic common sense.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 09:44
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
If the adoption were ethical from the get go, informed consent of BOTH parents, then I would have sided with these adoptive parents. They deliberately kept the father in the dark about the adoption plans.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 09:26
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.
Then you would be a selfish prick who deserves the pain that will inevitably come when this child reaches adulthood and learns that she was kept from her willing biological family.
You are not entitled to someone else's child. Damn, when did legality trump morality with some of you people?! (And even the legal issue is suspect in this case)
I wonder how some of you would feel if the biological mother suddenly wanted to take care of the little girl. Would you be as forgiving, for biology's sake?
Of course they would. Many see fathers as superfluous. It's amazing to me how some women think that being pro-woman must equal being anti-men. Sad indeed.
Considering the slandering and personal bashing of the biological mom, I highly doubt the same people would favor returning Veronica to her, if the mother changed her mind. I'm not anti men, but I don't think you can relinquish responsibility for your child, and then later decide that was a mistake, and expect to have things carry on like there's no problem. I do believe Mr. Brown loves his daughter, and that he now wants her. But you just cannot change your mind when it comes to a child. I hope the Capobiancos will include him and allow him to see and visit with Veronica, but I do believe the right decision was made. Biology doesn't make you a good or better parent - whether you're male or female, biological mother or biological father.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 09:16
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.
Then you would be a selfish prick who deserves the pain that will inevitably come when this child reaches adulthood and learns that she was kept from her willing biological family.
You are not entitled to someone else's child. Damn, when did legality trump morality with some of you people?! (And even the legal issue is suspect in this case)
I wonder how some of you would feel if the biological mother suddenly wanted to take care of the little girl. Would you be as forgiving, for biology's sake?
Of course they would. Many see fathers as superfluous. It's amazing to me how some women think that being pro-woman must equal being anti-men. Sad indeed.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 09:07
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.
Then you would be a selfish prick who deserves the pain that will inevitably come when this child reaches adulthood and learns that she was kept from her willing biological family.
You are not entitled to someone else's child. Damn, when did legality trump morality with some of you people?! (And even the legal issue is suspect in this case)
I wonder how some of you would feel if the biological mother suddenly wanted to take care of the little girl. Would you be as forgiving, for biology's sake?
Anonymous
09/27/2013 09:00
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
SC (without any valid reason) TERMINATED the bio fathers rights in July 2013-proof that he did not sign his own rights away. He never signed his rights away. This reeks of corruption and unlawfullness on every level. There are dozens od similar cases, Utah and South Carolina being two of the biggest offenders.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 08:53
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
SC broke several of their own adoption laws when finalizing the adoption (as did Oklahoma when allowing them to get away with it). How do you even finalize an adoption of an Oklahoma citizen who is living with their biological father in Oklahoma....no best interest hearing either. We are living in a "Nazi" like regime. Scary times in America.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 08:44
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.
Then you would be a selfish prick who deserves the pain that will inevitably come when this child reaches adulthood and learns that she was kept from her willing biological family.
You are not entitled to someone else's child. Damn, when did legality trump morality with some of you people?! (And even the legal issue is suspect in this case)
Anonymous
09/27/2013 08:42
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:
"The last few days without Veronica in our home have been more painful than words can describe. We are heartbroken at the loss of our daughter. I moved heaven and earth for two years to bring Veronica home to her family where she belongs. And when I finally picked her up for the journey back to Oklahoma two years ago, we looked into each other’s eyes and it was like we had always been together. That bond was instantaneous, and nothing can break it. Veronica is my child, my flesh and blood, and I love her more than life itself. And to our daughter, Veronica—Mommy and Daddy love you and miss you so much, and we cannot wait until we see you again. We will see you again.”Dusten and Robin Brown
Absolutely heartbreaking. Everything about this case is corrupt. The entitlement of some people knows no bounds. This case has truly angered me.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 08:37
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.
He never knowingly consented to the adoption.
She is her bio father, she has been with him the longest.
This a horrible black eye for legitimate adoptions.
Doesn't matter. He signed away his parental rights. What do you think that means? It means he deliberately and willingly opted out of being a decision-maker in his biological daughter's life. He chose it. Sure he changed his mind, but he made those decisions himself. Stop making excuses.
You cannot sign your rights away in less there is an adoption. The paperwork they had him sign was basically fraudulent. Mom made it clear he was not welcome in his daughters life and he was active duty and basically thought he was consenting to something very different which is typical in military parenting pre-deployment.
You're spouting nonsense now. Nobody made the bio dad sign anything, and it's his responsibility and his responsibility alone to make his own decisions. I've heard the deployment argument, and it is, frankly, utter horseshit. Mr. Brown signed away parental rights. It means he doesn't get to make any decisions at all anymore. He chose it, willingly. I understand he changed his mind, but that doesn't negate his prior choices. You can't suddenly decide when you want to be a parent.
From a moral standpoint, even if what you are saying is true, doesn't a child have a right to be parented by their biological parent(s)?
Anonymous
09/27/2013 08:34
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
None of our children are safe
Anonymous
09/27/2013 00:27
Subject: Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!
i have no words.