I had a hour "massage" yesterday for $50 and I tipped $40 afterward

Anonymous wrote:I always thought the 20% tip was for people in
The food service industry. In PA where I
Live the hr. rate is something like $2.50. Those are people who truly relie on tips. Not someone making $25 Hr

Not correct

I am immediate poster above. I finally read the whole thread. I am usually so calm and now my BM is going sour probably for my baby, so riled up.
What bothers me is business owners (massage or otherwise), expecting tips, other people expecting tips, people who are well paid expecting tips. At spas or salons (which I try to avoid) I have always tipped between 15-20%. Restaurants the same unless it's bad service. Now that I have that off my chest, I am out of this thread now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American service industries incorporate tipping because the owners are incapable to make sure their staff provide the prompt level of service. Neither do they have guts to increase the price outright. Tipping is basically a scam where owners abuse customer's kindness to motivate their own employees. In the restaurant business it's even worse. Owners just cut the employee's pay, and simply take all the tipping into their pockets.

Nobody tips in Asian countries like Japan, China, Taiwan... I don't see their service level going to hell. Actually the service is usually better than these spoiled "service professionals" in the US.

+ 100.
So much discussion how tipping is important. All you idiots who call others jerks who don't tip why don't you find another outlet for your very deviated sense of charity. Send some money to a hungry child or an old person.
Why is there no discussion on how restaurant owners, hotel owners get away with paying pittance while they are taking it in!!!
A cab driver who owns his own can is doing very well for himself. We have one in our neighborhood. Has 5 kids (yes 5!), a wife who doesn't work, his parents and he is a cabbie. His personal car is a BMW and he lives in a $700k house. Been doing that for 20+ years and now has 3 other illegal cab drivers drive for him and make money off of him and you pay such people 20% tips.

I'd rather pay the guy who lifts heavy weights, the nurse who cleans you or the PT who helps stroke patients.

I had a restaurant server run after me once to ask why I only tipped 10% and then in response to my comment said, "doesn't matter service, everyone tips minimum 18%".

I've received excellent service in Asia and had to pay no tips. I felt like doing charity there and spent $$$$ to different causes.

Sorry about the multiple typos, eek. It's late and typing on my phone in the dark.

Anonymous wrote:American service industries incorporate tipping because the owners are incapable to make sure their staff provide the prompt level of service. Neither do they have guts to increase the price outright. Tipping is basically a scam where owners abuse customer's kindness to motivate their own employees. In the restaurant business it's even worse. Owners just cut the employee's pay, and simply take all the tipping into their pockets.

Nobody tips in Asian countries like Japan, China, Taiwan... I don't see their service level going to hell. Actually the service is usually better than these spoiled "service professionals" in the US.

+ 100.
So much discussion how tipping is important. All you idiots who call others jerks who don't tip why don't you find another outlet for your very deviated sense of charity. Send some money to a hungry child or an old person.
Why is there no discussion on how restaurant owners, hotel owners get away with paying pittance while they are taking it in!!!
A cab driver who owns his own can is doing very well for himself. We have one in our neighborhood. Has 5 kids (yes 5!), a wife who doesn't work, his parents and he is a cabbie. His personal car is a BMW and he lives in a $700k house. Been doing that for 20+ years and now has 3 other illegal cab drivers drive for him and make money off of him and you pay such people 20% tips.

I'd rather pay the guy who lifts heavy weights, the nurse who cleans you or the PT who helps stroke patients.

I had a restaurant server run after me once to ask why I only tipped 10% and then in response to my comment said, "doesn't matter service, everyone tips minimum 18%".

I've received excellent service in Asia and had to pay no tips. I felt like doing charity there and spent $$$$ to different causes.

Since when you don't have to pay at Asian places ,Darling???
This is America baby!!!
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No slave here!!!!
You do have to pay for the service and tip well,baby!))
What mentality!!!!!!

I never used to tip when I scheduled massage through my chiropractor's office, who was assisting in treatment, because of the medical affiliation. I don't know if this makes a difference or if it was right or wrong.

I now go to a woman who does amazing work and owns her own wellness studio and I tip $15 for a $65 one hour massage.

I worked as a licensed massage therapist for about 10 years in the 1990s. Massage therapists in my state are regulated by the health boards - the same boards who regulate doctors, nurses, etc. My thinking was if massage therapists wanted to be taken seriously as health providers of a kind, then we certainly didn't need to communicate we expected tips from clients. Some of my clients left tips, some didn't. I never expected a tip and never thought less of a client for not leaving one.

I looked up tipping massage therapists because I got a massage yesterday and felt pressured by the receptionist to leave a tip. Maybe things have changed since I worked in the field. I worked for myself and for others. When I worked for others, I was paid 50% of the cost of the session which was a decent hourly rate.

I still believe that tips for massage therapists should not be considered mandatory. Some financially well-off clients may decide to tip. Some clients struggle to pay the $65 charge for a hour massage and they shouldn't be expected to pay more than that.

I'm probably one of the few who will say do not give tip after a massage unless the massaeu did something extra ordinary whatever that is. But like me I'm just an average earner (security guard) making a little above minimum wage then when I get a needed massage for a sore body with my limited budget when after I pay the massage person ask for a tip and I said I don't have enough money left I still have to buy gas. and in Thai massage they are very insistent on this like they are extorting money from me. I told them one day I'm not coming back here. If you want more money then increase your price and not ask for this hidden fees like tips so there are no surprises for the customer. I don't get tips in my work even if I was able to prevent crime from happening to a client. tips should not be expected or requirement. it should be voluntary without pressure from the service provider.

the tip will depend on expectation verses what is received. for a normal massage with no additional services the tip should be the 10-30 dollars. additional service should be at the same rate in addition to

I never understood tipping until my daughter became a waitress during college. To everyone who tends to think, "why should I tip someone for doing their job," please remember that it's the boss/owner who's making the money, not the massage therapist, waitress or bell hop. You must understand, this is simply how the pay scale works for many service industry jobs - tips are a part of it. It's not a bad deal for all involved if you think about it, because the person employed to provide the service always has a chance to make a bit more by doing a really terrific job, so it's a win-win situation for client and server. Think about your own child, sister, father or friend working as a waiter for $5/hour plus tips, and think about all those people who say, "Why should I tip you just to do your job?" Of course, if the service is poor at the fault of the server (and believe me it is often out of their control), I reduce my tip, but generally - be it in a restaurant, spa, bar, hair salon, or wherever - I tip 20 to 30% based on the quality of the service. Further, if I've taken more than 15 minutes of any employee's time to do whatever for me, the minimum is $5, regardless if the bill is zero or just a couple of bucks!

I'm a massage envy member too. I tip 10 for an hour and 20 for an hour and half.

Massage therapist here. I don't get a "percentage" or "cut" of the massage price at the office I work at. I am an employee and get an hourly pay. We are paid by the owner with the idea that we will receive tips. Massage is a service. I personally give my best possible massage to every person I work on. Often told they received the best massage ever. Most people tip, some people assume I get a "cut" of the massage price they paid and therefore don't tip. But my advice is, if you enjoyed your massage and like your therapist, tip them. It's a good energy exchange. And %10-20 of the full price service is the average.

I tip between 10-20%, depending on whether I liked the massage or not. I tip on the price I pay, whether it's a discounted price or not. Honestly, I'm sick of tipping and think I should get tips since everyone else gets them. Small tip? Well, let's see how well you survive your heart attack. Can't tip me because you're in cardiac arrest? Oh well. Sucks for you.

I always thought the 20% tip was for people in
The food service industry. In PA where I
Live the hr. rate is something like $2.50. Those are people who truly relie on tips. Not someone making $25 Hr