Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 15:33     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We received our kid's score COGAT score yesterday and happened onto this thread while researching the test results. To share our happiness:
Verbal 124, Quantitative 151, Nonverbal 157, Composite 153. And so he is in the pool.
His score comes as a surprise to us. We did not do any coaching, and no practice questions. We do occasionally have him doing math problems on ixl.com, but it's not consistent.
We are now more concerned about the rating from the teacher, since the teacher has spoken to us a few times about him being disruptive in class and send him home a few times with red and yellow faces, mainly for talking during class and not following directions. His progress reports are a solid mixture of S, G, and O's. Ironically, his teacher said that she is really impressed with his reading and writing skills, in contrast to his verbal test score that lags the other two scores.
If he does get into AAP, it would be more for being in the company of other well achieving students. We have no desire for him to be a genius or pressure him for accelerated academic progress. And instead of TJ, we would rather have him go to Langley.



Looking at your child's scores, he is exactly the type of child that should be in an AAP class - probably a quick thinker and learner - high scores without coaching. The lower verbal score may be due to the fact that it had pictures. Your child may have done better on a harder verbal test. Re behavioral issues - could be he's just bored or he has features of ADHD - not uncommonat all among children with higher IQ's. You may want to get him tested unless you have zero such concerns at home - which again could mean he is just not challenged in class and chooses to not listen as much as he should.


My child has almost the same scores in all the sections as yours. Verbal was 128, but the other 2 was 148 and 152 with compositite 151. NNAT- 148. My child is strong in vocabulary, highest reading, spelling groups in school, writes stories and poems. I was surprised at the discrepency in scores. Grades are O's in general, except when teacher uniformly gives lower grades at beginning of year. No prepping. I don't know of any prep places.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 15:01     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
I don't think you can compare last year's scores with this year's - different test and different scale. According to a variety of threads on this forum, this year's test was easier - probably why they changed the cutoff to a composite of 132 rather than 132 on any one subtest.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:48     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
so does that mean that a 140 from last year is not equal to a 140 from this year, or is that irrelevent since the average score would still be 100?
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:45     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year, the ceiling for CogAT was 150. But this year I saw many >150 scores. Maybe the new form 7 has different scoring system. If you DC took tests at GMU using old form 6 this year, the ceiling should be still 150.


I see. That may explain the difference.


I saw article here. The raw score on Form6 is 50 - 150 and in Form7 is 50 -160.



"Form 7 Standard Age Scores (SAS) extend up to 160 for better discrimination among the highest levels of ability"

Page 2:

http://www.riversidepublishing.com/products/cogAT7/pdf/CogSpe_v59-28-11.pdf
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:33     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year, the ceiling for CogAT was 150. But this year I saw many >150 scores. Maybe the new form 7 has different scoring system. If you DC took tests at GMU using old form 6 this year, the ceiling should be still 150.


I see. That may explain the difference.


I saw article here. The raw score on Form6 is 50 - 150 and in Form7 is 50 -160.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:27     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:Last year, the ceiling for CogAT was 150. But this year I saw many >150 scores. Maybe the new form 7 has different scoring system. If you DC took tests at GMU using old form 6 this year, the ceiling should be still 150.


I see. That may explain the difference.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:26     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Last year, the ceiling for CogAT was 150. But this year I saw many >150 scores. Maybe the new form 7 has different scoring system. If you DC took tests at GMU using old form 6 this year, the ceiling should be still 150.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:24     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:your daughter must be an early birthday. the scores take into account the child's age. so for example if your child gets 48 out of 48 and has an october birthday and another child gets 48 out of 48 and has a july birthday, then the july birthday child would gets a higher score, even though they got the same number correct. the october child is 9 months older so they have had more time to gain knowledge i suppose. children are only scored against other children within 3 months of their birthday. all of these tests, iq tests etc. do this.


No my DD actually was born at end of August and the almost youngest on her class. That is why I was puzzled.


150 could be the max possible for that section.
What was her composite?


Her other section got 134, 138 and composite is 150
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:23     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:your daughter must be an early birthday. the scores take into account the child's age. so for example if your child gets 48 out of 48 and has an october birthday and another child gets 48 out of 48 and has a july birthday, then the july birthday child would gets a higher score, even though they got the same number correct. the october child is 9 months older so they have had more time to gain knowledge i suppose. children are only scored against other children within 3 months of their birthday. all of these tests, iq tests etc. do this.


No my DD actually was born at end of August and the almost youngest on her class. That is why I was puzzled.


150 could be the max possible for that section.
What was her composite?
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 14:21     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:your daughter must be an early birthday. the scores take into account the child's age. so for example if your child gets 48 out of 48 and has an october birthday and another child gets 48 out of 48 and has a july birthday, then the july birthday child would gets a higher score, even though they got the same number correct. the october child is 9 months older so they have had more time to gain knowledge i suppose. children are only scored against other children within 3 months of their birthday. all of these tests, iq tests etc. do this.


No my DD actually was born at end of August and the almost youngest on her class. That is why I was puzzled.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 13:55     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
your daughter must be an early birthday. the scores take into account the child's age. so for example if your child gets 48 out of 48 and has an october birthday and another child gets 48 out of 48 and has a july birthday, then the july birthday child would gets a higher score, even though they got the same number correct. the october child is 9 months older so they have had more time to gain knowledge i suppose. children are only scored against other children within 3 months of their birthday. all of these tests, iq tests etc. do this.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 13:36     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
I am very puzzled on the CogAt score. I looked at my DD's test report. She got 48 correct out of 48 on verbal section with score of 150. So I am just curious how could some score is larger than 150. I must miss something here. Does anyone know what is ceiling of subset test on CogAt?
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 13:30     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:133, 124, 117, composite 128. 96% percentile, not in the pool.


does this mean being a top 4% student is not enough to be in the pool? wow!


It's just the demographics of the area. Level IV AAP takes the top 10% of FCPS kids. And those kids are in the top 98-99% nationally.


understood, but my 'wow' has nothing to do with area demographics.

4% means only ONE child in a 25-kid class gets in the pool, and only 60% of that gets in AAP right? i was just surprised it is that selective.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 12:18     Subject: GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:We received our kid's score COGAT score yesterday and happened onto this thread while researching the test results. To share our happiness:
Verbal 124, Quantitative 151, Nonverbal 157, Composite 153. And so he is in the pool.
His score comes as a surprise to us. We did not do any coaching, and no practice questions. We do occasionally have him doing math problems on ixl.com, but it's not consistent.
We are now more concerned about the rating from the teacher, since the teacher has spoken to us a few times about him being disruptive in class and send him home a few times with red and yellow faces, mainly for talking during class and not following directions. His progress reports are a solid mixture of S, G, and O's. Ironically, his teacher said that she is really impressed with his reading and writing skills, in contrast to his verbal test score that lags the other two scores.
If he does get into AAP, it would be more for being in the company of other well achieving students. We have no desire for him to be a genius or pressure him for accelerated academic progress. And instead of TJ, we would rather have him go to Langley.



Looking at your child's scores, he is exactly the type of child that should be in an AAP class - probably a quick thinker and learner - high scores without coaching. The lower verbal score may be due to the fact that it had pictures. Your child may have done better on a harder verbal test. Re behavioral issues - could be he's just bored or he has features of ADHD - not uncommonat all among children with higher IQ's. You may want to get him tested unless you have zero such concerns at home - which again could mean he is just not challenged in class and chooses to not listen as much as he should.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2012 03:25     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!
Anonymous wrote:composite 134 99% received score... but no in-pool letter!!! should we be concerned?


Complete the parent referral just in case. It's a one-page form.