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Anonymous wrote:One positive to Westfield-its literally the only school in that area who hasn't had even one parent on here moaning and complaining like the lees corner lady. Its the only school that has had zero whiners.

Might be disengaged parents who don't care .

Doesn't sound like a great place

+1

Anonymous wrote:One positive to Westfield-its literally the only school in that area who hasn't had even one parent on here moaning and complaining like the lees corner lady. Its the only school that has had zero whiners.

Might be disengaged parents who don't care .

Doesn't sound like a great place

Anonymous wrote:One positive to Westfield-its literally the only school in that area who hasn't had even one parent on here moaning and complaining like the lees corner lady. Its the only school that has had zero whiners.

Resigned to their fate? I mean honestly, “complaining” happens when you have something to lose.

One positive to Westfield-its literally the only school in that area who hasn't had even one parent on here moaning and complaining like the lees corner lady. Its the only school that has had zero whiners.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Well said. No one seems to be thinking about it this way and they should.

It always works when you tell parents how they should think about forced school moves.

You guys can’t really be this dense.

Anonymous wrote:Is the person who bullied her way into spokesperson at TWO meetings the same person who lives in Lees Corner who lied about time and distance to places and cried about "contiguous" boundaries? I think that's the same person.

Yes, its the same one. The one who was hysterical about it being a 30 minute drive to Cub Run pool at 4:30 in the afternoon, from Lees Corner . She ran to both meetings with all her neighbors and cornered the SB members. Good for her for effective advocacy but yeah, I wouldn't invite her to my dinner party. I'm picturing a Kate Gosselin hair do.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Well said. No one seems to be thinking about it this way and they should.

This logic only works if you are a high SES area being moved "down" to a lower rated school.
The logic doesn't work as much for a scenario where a poorer area wants to stay at their HS and are being proposed to be moved farther away AND to a lower rated school with more poor kids.

Anonymous wrote:The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Well said. No one seems to be thinking about it this way and they should.

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Anonymous wrote:Rip the bandaid off and just make the boundary and call it a day. Many of the boundaries in this County dont make sense unless you look at demographics...but no one wants to bring that up in public...plenty of neighborhoods being bused way to far so they can fill the numbers of each demographic...nothing to do with transportion at all.

The longest bus rides in the county are to stronger schools. Great Falls ES is far closer to Herndon then Langley but is bussed to Langley. Crossfield is closer to Skyview then Oakton but many parents want to stay at Oakton, even with the long bus ride. Crossfield is a bit different in that Skyview is likely to be a very good school but it will have a higher FARMs rate then Oakton currently does. Some RIO parents have been very clear that they don't want to attend Skyview because they see the McNair and Coates kids as being the "problem children" at Carson. Their words, not mine.

You just proved me right....

My comment was meant to address all schools througout FCPS- not just skyview. There are entire neighborhoods near Centerville that are bused to Fairfax...there are other entire neighborhoods that pass Robinson to go to Woodson... many homes that are bused to Madison have a much closer HS...Mclean kids are pulled from way down Route 7...and the list can go on and on for HS. The point was that there are many other reasons that people are mad...transportation doesnt seem to be a priority for FCPS- they want to make "everything equal" and not piss everyone off- which is not possible with the amount of children and schools- the math and demographics dont work. If you just drew a circle around the HS and added in outside boundaries I bet it would look very different vs FCPS making accomidations for certain HS that demographics need to be adjusted.

Anonymous wrote:The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Social engineering doesn’t work.

Anonymous wrote:The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Fox Mill was moved from Oakton in 2008. I can promise you that SLHS is no where near Oakton HS in any measurable manner. Not the class offerings, not the after school clubs, not the overall performance of the students. I get not wanting to move from Oakton to SLHS or WSHS to Lewis or Langley to Herndon. No offense, the one or two schools that they move will not bring the new school up to the level, or even close to the level, of the old school.

Skyview is going to be closer to Chantilly then it is Westfield or SLHS in performance. All you have to do is look at the performance of Floris and Oak Hill to see that there will be a significant number of higher achieving kids at the school. Toss in Crossfield or Fox Mill and you have a very strong school. There are good students at McNair and Coates as well. That is why Oak Hill is probably not too upset with moving, although they would prefer to stay at Chantilly. The Crossfield families that are unhappy with the idea of moving are mainly the Tiger parent families whose kids didn't get into TJ. If they can't go to TJ then they have to go to the next best thing that they can, which is Oakton.

I don't know enough to talk about Centreville or Westfield. The families I know at Westfield are very happy to be there and seem to enjoy the school. A good number are annoyed that there are kids leaving the school because they like the composition of the school.

The thing I wish more parents would realize in these scenarios when seeing the potential for their kids to move to a “worse” school is that neighbors that your kids go to school with already, presumably if a similar SES, would also be at the school. It would normalize and change by very fact of you moving there.

I mean if there are issues with teachers/admin/extracurriculars, those aren’t going to be solved overnight. But the school you’d be moved into isn’t the same as the school is today.

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't trust someone to speak for my group who is too dumb to read a map!

Why are you asking people to explain the maps to you?

I was asked to be the spokesperson in the small group because my comments actually made sense. They were specific and had sound reasoning.

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Anonymous wrote:What school gets a worse commute time to their high school in scenario 2? Anyone?

All of the Centreville kids switched from Centreville HS to Westfield get a much worse commute. The Chantilly HS areas they are moving to Westfield looks about equidistant but those areas will insist that Westfield is much farther and that they are Rooted in Chantilly.

How much further would it be? Mileage and commute time?

Again, this is something you can figure out for yourself. Pick a few addresses and map it out, if you won't take pp's assertion as fact. I'm not sure why you are asking people to do projects to you. How bizarre.

I thought someone who is passionate about why scenario 2 wouldn’t work would speak up but I guess not. Screaming look at the maps won’t work with the consultants.

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Anonymous wrote:What school gets a worse commute time to their high school in scenario 2? Anyone?

All of the Centreville kids switched from Centreville HS to Westfield get a much worse commute. The Chantilly HS areas they are moving to Westfield looks about equidistant but those areas will insist that Westfield is much farther and that they are Rooted in Chantilly.

How much further would it be? Mileage and commute time?

Again, this is something you can figure out for yourself. Pick a few addresses and map it out, if you won't take pp's assertion as fact. I'm not sure why you are asking people to do projects to you. How bizarre.

I’m not familiar with that area so wouldn’t know any streets to input. But it really doesn’t matter to me because that’s not my fight.