Van Hollen was able to meet with Abrego Garcia, after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me what power does a US senator has to go to the foreign country and demand that that country release their own citizen???? Based on what? Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and El Salvador made decision not to release him. How is it legal for the foreign government to exercise any power over the citizens of El Salvador in El Salvador?

Because ES is only keeping him locked up bc the US is paying them to do so. If we stopped giving our money to ES he’d be released.

A foreign country can choose who they incarcerate based on their own rules. What power does US have to tell them what to do with their own citizens?

We keep telling you—the US IS dictating what happens to this guy. The US is paying to keep him in prison.

Just because it was reported in us media, does not make those true.

Just shut up with your cutesy point.

No one cares if he is paying for Venezuelans, salvadorans, or future Americans.

The Trump administration has made a huge mistake and admitted it. FIX IT.

It’s not that simple.

He is in the hands of a sovereign power, in his own country.

Sorry you don’t like that fact but that’s the way it stands. A district judge can’t dictate that Trump engage in a certain way with a foreign power. Don’t like Trump’s actions? Don’t vote GOP. This is not something a US judge can fix.

Exactly.

He is a Salvadoran who is in El Salvador.

What right does Chris Van Hollen think HE has to order El Salvador to just snatch-up one of its citizens and fly one of there own up here to the USA, where he has no lawful status at all?

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Anonymous wrote:The report says he was wearing a "sweatshirt with rolls of money covering up the faces of the presidents". Later it says he had about $1,100 in "funds" on him, Are they talking about the rolls of money? Why doesn't it say that? He was wearing a cap and a hoodie, and we found rolls of money on him, proving gang affiliation?

I don't really see anything in this report that is criminal? Am I missing something?

I also don't think $1100 in cash means you are a gang member? Illegal immigrants usually can't have bank accounts, right? They get paid in cash...

So much for the never committed a crime mantra.

I mean, we know that people here illegally committed the crime of being here, illegally. No one is arguing that.

But we don't send them to concentration camps, with no due process. The process was not followed with this man.

You have to follow the law and do things the right way. And sending people to out of country concentration camps isn't the right way.

I am 100% certain we are paying the president of El Salvadore money for this, too. It should be easy enough to find that information, right? There must be some kind of record of government spending.

If we are paying money to El Salvador for these prisoners? That needs to stop immediately. That's not right at all.

This is the crux of the matter. Van Hollen looks like an opportunistic dingbat.

It’s worse than that.

Van Hollen is trying to make himself look like the valiant White Knight, charging to rescue his “little brown brother” from the clutches of the evil orange ogre!

His junket is a farce.

What do you call the trip that this MAGA congressman took to CECOT earlier this week? Wonder why he was let in to the prison...

PS. I prefer Van Hollen's optics than the optics of a member of congress from the United States of America posing in front of prisoners in a foreign country like they're props.

This is a public service. These junkets get press coverage, and encourage illegal immigrants to leave to avoid ending up in a similar situation.

He is a citizen of El Salvador and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." If El Salvador won't let him leave, that's that.

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Anonymous wrote:So far on this thread it has been stated:

1. MS13 gang member. Police paperwork details MS13 gang member indicators on his person.
2. Verified habitual wife beater with restraining order against him.
3. Verified illegal alien denied amnesty.
4. Picked up with $1,000+ cash in his pocket and packets of drugs thrown on the ground as cop approached.
5. On an FBI terrorist watch list.
6. Verified picked up by police in TN, suspected of human trafficking the people in the vehicle he was driving.

Number three - he applied and was rejected for asylum in 2019 but this was denied because he waited too long to apply after entry

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Exactly. Beating his wife is horrific. Killing another woman the way he did, is beyond comprehension. Amazing who Democrats like to defend.

I don't doubt the evidence suggesting this guy is POS criminal. The only people defending his character are very unlikely to be aware of his documented history of being a bad guy. Most people defending him are doing so out of regard for legal due process. When due process is neglected for an individual case, a can of future legal worms is opened.

What due process? He was seen by an immigration judge who denied asylum. He was seen by an appeals board who sided with the judge. How many times do you think one illegal immigrant needs to be seen? It’s ridiculous.

Let things play out with all facts regarding this person and this case be confirmed and if you're 100% correct about 100% of what you're claiming to be true, I will 100% agree with you.

Legal due process could have already happened and our country failed to respond to it in a timely manner. I don't by any means doubt this is possible.

DP. It did play out in April 2019. He had a Lawyer. Both sides presented evidence. He lost. He appealed, so it played out again in December 2019. Both sides presented evidence to a different judge. He lost again. The actual court documents have been posted many times in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:So far on this thread it has been stated:

1. MS13 gang member. Police paperwork details MS13 gang member indicators on his person.
2. Verified habitual wife beater with restraining order against him.
3. Verified illegal alien denied amnesty.
4. Picked up with $1,000+ cash in his pocket and packets of drugs thrown on the ground as cop approached.
5. On an FBI terrorist watch list.
6. Verified picked up by police in TN, suspected of human trafficking the people in the vehicle he was driving.

Number three - he applied and was rejected for asylum in 2019 but this was denied because he waited too long to apply after entry

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Exactly. Beating his wife is horrific. Killing another woman the way he did, is beyond comprehension. Amazing who Democrats like to defend.

I don't doubt the evidence suggesting this guy is POS criminal. The only people defending his character are very unlikely to be aware of his documented history of being a bad guy. Most people defending him are doing so out of regard for legal due process. When due process is neglected for an individual case, a can of future legal worms is opened.

What due process? He was seen by an immigration judge who denied asylum. He was seen by an appeals board who sided with the judge. How many times do you think one illegal immigrant needs to be seen? It’s ridiculous.

Let things play out with all facts regarding this person and this case be confirmed and if you're 100% correct about 100% of what you're claiming to be true, I will 100% agree with you.

No idea what you are saying here. The facts played out already - he is in ES.

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Anonymous wrote:So far on this thread it has been stated:

1. MS13 gang member. Police paperwork details MS13 gang member indicators on his person.
2. Verified habitual wife beater with restraining order against him.
3. Verified illegal alien denied amnesty.
4. Picked up with $1,000+ cash in his pocket and packets of drugs thrown on the ground as cop approached.
5. On an FBI terrorist watch list.
6. Verified picked up by police in TN, suspected of human trafficking the people in the vehicle he was driving.

Number three - he applied and was rejected for asylum in 2019 but this was denied because he waited too long to apply after entry

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Exactly. Beating his wife is horrific. Killing another woman the way he did, is beyond comprehension. Amazing who Democrats like to defend.

I don't doubt the evidence suggesting this guy is POS criminal. The only people defending his character are very unlikely to be aware of his documented history of being a bad guy. Most people defending him are doing so out of regard for legal due process. When due process is neglected for an individual case, a can of future legal worms is opened.

What due process? He was seen by an immigration judge who denied asylum. He was seen by an appeals board who sided with the judge. How many times do you think one illegal immigrant needs to be seen? It’s ridiculous.

Let things play out with all facts regarding this person and this case be confirmed and if you're 100% correct about 100% of what you're claiming to be true, I will 100% agree with you.

Legal due process could have already happened and our country failed to respond to it in a timely manner. I don't by any means doubt this is possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me what power does a US senator has to go to the foreign country and demand that that country release their own citizen???? Based on what? Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and El Salvador made decision not to release him. How is it legal for the foreign government to exercise any power over the citizens of El Salvador in El Salvador?

Because ES is only keeping him locked up bc the US is paying them to do so. If we stopped giving our money to ES he’d be released.

A foreign country can choose who they incarcerate based on their own rules. What power does US have to tell them what to do with their own citizens?

We keep telling you—the US IS dictating what happens to this guy. The US is paying to keep him in prison.

Just because it was reported in us media, does not make those true.

Just shut up with your cutesy point.

No one cares if he is paying for Venezuelans, salvadorans, or future Americans.

The Trump administration has made a huge mistake and admitted it. FIX IT.

It’s not that simple.

He is in the hands of a sovereign power, in his own country.

Sorry you don’t like that fact but that’s the way it stands. A district judge can’t dictate that Trump engage in a certain way with a foreign power. Don’t like Trump’s actions? Don’t vote GOP. This is not something a US judge can fix.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a Maryland father looking for work at Home Depot who is now in El Salvador because he was wearing a Bulls jersey.

Ignore that he had $1100 and threw away containers of drugs as police were approaching.

And still the government admitted it was an error to deport him.

If Garcia had drugs as you allege here, then the government can bring that into evidence in a court of law, and prosecute him. Our country should not just disappear people with no trial, no evidence.

Imprisonment in CECOT, with the US government claiming it can do nothing since it's in another country, is a terrible system, for any criminal or non-criminal.

*did* he have drugs?

The only "case" against him that I can see is he was hanging around with some known gang members, and a guy who has provided reliable information in the past said he knew he was a gang member.

But even that informant didn't accuse him of any crime.

If there was evidence at the time he was picked up at the Home Depot that he had drugs or had committed a crime, wouldn't that evidence have been submitted? That's how it works on the crime TV shows anyhow.

Isn't that how gang members get arrested? They commit a crime, are accused, judged, and sentenced. Then they have a criminal record and then they can be deported.

What happened with this case? They didn't have a court case because there was no evidence?

The evidence is in the field report, introduced in the immigration hearing. It is why he was not released on bond.

Sorry, explain it to me as I guess I am an idiot.

What evidence of a crime is in the field report?

A confidential informant's statement that he was a gang member can't be evidence, can it? That's hearsay?

The other evidence is that he was wearing a baseball cap and a hoodie with a graphic of rolled up money? What kind of evidence is that? Help me to understand.

The other evidence of a crime that he committed in the field report is that --- what?

You are not an idiot. You just don’t know the law. Garcia has been adjudicated twice by administrative law courts as a member of MS-13. The judges don’t have criminal jurisdiction, the standard of proof is far different, and Garcia for whatever reason did not put on an effective defense in those courts to the allegations of being a MS-13 member. These are not Article III federal courts (they are Article II), neither are they state courts with criminal jurisdiction. These adjudications are not without legal weight, but casting about for a criminal conviction is largely irrelevant. Even when taking into consideration the administration’s mistake in not dealing with the withhold of removal order - an order easy to modify in 2025 - progressives must understand this guy is never coming home to his family in Maryland. Garcia has no right to be here and has been adjudicated for removal. Van Hollen knows this so he must too know what he is doing is political grandstanding.

Notwithstanding the way the administration could defeat due process allegations is to bring him back, arrest him as they can lawfully do, detain him until the withhold order is eclipsed, at which point he will go back to his home country, where Bukele has designated MS-13 as a criminal terrorist group and where he will likely be back in prison for an even longer stint. Certainly there are arguments we should not someone to a Central American he’ll hole of a prison, but the guy knows he has been adjudicated by two US courts as a gang member. He also knows he has a removal order and let all time limits for asylum completely lapse. He would have been far better to self deport.

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Anonymous wrote:So far on this thread it has been stated:

1. MS13 gang member. Police paperwork details MS13 gang member indicators on his person.
2. Verified habitual wife beater with restraining order against him.
3. Verified illegal alien denied amnesty.
4. Picked up with $1,000+ cash in his pocket and packets of drugs thrown on the ground as cop approached.
5. On an FBI terrorist watch list.
6. Verified picked up by police in TN, suspected of human trafficking the people in the vehicle he was driving.

Number three - he applied and was rejected for asylum in 2019 but this was denied because he waited too long to apply after entry

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Exactly. Beating his wife is horrific. Killing another woman the way he did, is beyond comprehension. Amazing who Democrats like to defend.

I don't doubt the evidence suggesting this guy is POS criminal. The only people defending his character are very unlikely to be aware of his documented history of being a bad guy. Most people defending him are doing so out of regard for legal due process. When due process is neglected for an individual case, a can of future legal worms is opened.

What due process? He was seen by an immigration judge who denied asylum. He was seen by an appeals board who sided with the judge. How many times do you think one illegal immigrant needs to be seen? It’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me what power does a US senator has to go to the foreign country and demand that that country release their own citizen???? Based on what? Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and El Salvador made decision not to release him. How is it legal for the foreign government to exercise any power over the citizens of El Salvador in El Salvador?

Because ES is only keeping him locked up bc the US is paying them to do so. If we stopped giving our money to ES he’d be released.

A foreign country can choose who they incarcerate based on their own rules. What power does US have to tell them what to do with their own citizens?

We keep telling you—the US IS dictating what happens to this guy. The US is paying to keep him in prison.

Just because it was reported in us media, does not make those true.

Just shut up with your cutesy point.

No one cares if he is paying for Venezuelans, salvadorans, or future Americans.

The Trump administration has made a huge mistake and admitted it. FIX IT.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe he can ask Garcia why his wife filed a claim of domestic abuse against him.

Shame he didn’t fly to Iran when a US citizen from Maryland was held hostage there. That man spoke out today to ask why his case wasn’t given this attention.

are you really that unaware?

What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe he can ask Garcia why his wife filed a claim of domestic abuse against him.

Shame he didn’t fly to Iran when a US citizen from Maryland was held hostage there. That man spoke out today to ask why his case wasn’t given this attention.

The case where the executive branch actually took steps to return him?

The family is upset and coming forward because of Van Hollen’s different treatment. That guy got a statement - it’s a real shame Iran holding you. Garcia got a flight and attempted visit and media hoopla. Garcia is also not a citizen.

Maybe Van Hollen should treat everyone the same?

Who is the guy?

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Anonymous wrote:We still have an American held by Hamas. Why is Van Hollen silent? Don’t tell me it’s because that man isn’t from Maryland because either is Garcia.

Because they weren’t denied due process by the US Govt. I think this guy probably isn’t quite the angel the left is painting him to be but everyone should be concerned about the lack of due process.

The complicating factor is that he is an El Salvadoran citizen so he’s under their jurisdiction.

He wasn't denied due process. He already had been judged as someone who can be deported. Maybe they made a mistake of sending him to El Salvador(now being disputed).

I can't take the lies anymore.

He has not been accused of a crime. He has not been convicted of a crime.

Trump didn't just send him to the one country he was not allowed to send him to. He also sent him to a maximum security prison without due process. For what crime?????????

And what crimes have the Venezuelans, who came legally and were awaiting asylum hearings, committed??? They were also sent to a concentration camp without due process.

You seem very confused.
Someone who was denied asylum after entering illegally is not required to have a criminal conviction to be deported! Whether he was convicted of gang membership is not relevant to the point that he was deportable because he entered illegally, back in 2011.

El Salvador could release Garcia whenever they want. That is not Trump’s call.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe he can ask Garcia why his wife filed a claim of domestic abuse against him.

Shame he didn’t fly to Iran when a US citizen from Maryland was held hostage there. That man spoke out today to ask why his case wasn’t given this attention.

are you really that unaware?