Anonymous wrote:You should be grateful your kids got a private school education in a lovely building for $11k a year for so many years. What a steal!
Everyone hates it when a gravy train ends.
Anonymous wrote:You should be grateful your kids got a private school education in a lovely building for $11k a year for so many years. What a steal!
Everyone hates it when a gravy train ends.
Anonymous wrote:The renovations will be pretty minimal.
Anonymous wrote:I know through friends of friends that there have always been families who moved from other STATES to attend KAA.
Imagine what good that does for the county to bring in more business and growth and talent.
Also this friend of a friend said that with proof and certainty that alumni and parents actually put together funding and a plan to buy the building so they can keep the school running but FCPS had an inside approach and bought it before the parents could in their effort to sustain the school. So that's worth considering in this entire discussion. The parents did not want the school to shut down for a building custom-built for their community. I mean read the thread here, everyone here is saying fcps willl need to renvoate. That will take time and money. there wont be a school ready for years. Meanwhile, students who actually were attending very happily at this place and could have continued this fall (and still CAN continue this fall) with ZERO need to renovate. And they are now displaced and without a school. Some people said they felt it was an inside deal. I'm sorry to say, but this was not a fair or transparent deal. It is leaving many families broken and tons of kids crying. And the alumni were prepared to step in and buy the land to keep it in their community and that was known to all parties, buyers and sellers. FCPS doesnt need a property with the types of cultural designs in this school. And these parents were even considering with a purchase to help turn it into. a wider community center too with access to gyms, pools, etc. But now a beautiful and international community in the area can no longer benefit from it, and neither can the area benefit from the international ib program. The school is not just for Saudis or islmaic population by the way. many of the staff are neither and several students are of different backgrounds. some of the alumni and parents who were up to purchase the building have even suggested growing the school in to a general ib international school and making it more available for any student to apply to. that is all worth considering. your vision of an fcps ina. bulding that will need a TON of renovating wont come to frution for years. meanwhile a well meaning community is plug and play and ready to just continue using this as is for the fall while bringing cultural diversity to this area.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not a kaa parent but i understand the point that they are making.
to be honest, i think you are missing the point. and i hope one day you experience your kids finding a community that they truly felt they belonged to, and then have it stripped away. because it must not be pleasant at all. i read all the comments and dont think anyone was asking for any red carpet. they were just trying to get people like you to not sound so entitled or over excited about this sale that is clearly breaking apart a community and leaving countless of children and families sad over this loss. you may only understand if your child ever goes through something like this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The majority of theKAA school population are Americans, many generations of Americans, Virginians, to be exact. You are very out of touch with your very own neighbors clearly.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're comparing apples to oranges regarding buying a new house and helping people find a new home. KAA familie are tax payers too with kids who went to this school because fcps was not serving all the needs that their community wanted. on top of that many of the kaa families are legacy families. so you are talking about many decades of alumni sending their children here. this is about community, and benefit to fc as well by encouraging this community to stay intact. the mission of both kaa and fcps are very well aligned, and if you think this is so black and white like buying and selling you are wrong. the mission is the same, to educate the children in the best possible way that matches their needs and their family needs. if this were your kid you would say the same. i find your messages cold, hard and oblivious to community.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wealthy Saudis used to special treatment and hand-holding, LOL. I am honestly shocked that you expect FCPS to reach out to EVERY private school in its boundary that closes to personally counsel students on their options. All the info is on their website.
FCPS isn’t paying $150M to acquire every such school, and then likely needing to engage in several months of due diligence thereafter before closing a deal. Perfect opportunity to be decent human beings, something that apparently doesn’t align with your value system.
Are you a parent with a child in that school? It should be KAA's responsibility to help place all of its students. The administration are the ones who decided to close the school in the middle of the school year, FCPS just bought something no one else wanted.
You're being a ridiculously argumentative tool about something minor that ought to be a simple courtesy given the ongoing discussions that FCPS will be having with KAA.
All it need entail is making sure KAA staff is aware of resources and contacts within FCPS for affected families to speak with if interested.
I think you're the one being unreasonable. All of this information is available to the families very easily.
If you're familiar with FCPS, which is why some basic courtesies shown to others who may be less familiar with FCPS might go a long way.
You're the sort of person who makes waiters want to spit in your food in the kitchen before it's served.
Only the trashiest of people ever even consider spitting in someone's food, no matter how rude they are. I've worked in restaurants. That just isn't a thing a normal person even thinks about.
Only a trashy person would fight so hard against the idea that one party to a significant RE transaction would extend some basic, and very low-cost, courtesies to a counter-party. That's not how normal people behave, but perhaps you have some weird bias against Muslims and want to lay claim to their former school and pretend they were never there.
You are seriously arguing that FCPS is responsible for doing something extra for the KAA families because FCPS bought the building? The KAA administration had a responsibility to help the families find a new school before the end of the year. That could have been helping them find a good fit with another private school or helping them understand their public school options. But that was the KAA administration's responsibility, not the organization that buys the building.
I am not responsible for helping the family whose house I buy find a new home. That is their individual responsibility. Same in this case. KAA families need to have worked with the adminstration to find a new school or the Saudi government who stopped sponsoring the school.
Do diplomats pay taxes? Just curious.
Why should neighbors care about a group of people who very clearly wanted to self segregate in their own school? The local public school wasn’t good enough for your kids, but now that your school is closing you want neighbors and FCPS employees to roll out the red carpet for you? Where does this mentality come from?
It’s called Google. Look at what school your home is zoned to attend. Then look up the school website.
There you will find links to contact personnel at that school with any questions you may have. That is all any resident of this county is entitled to. Nothing more. The rest of us pay taxes too and that’s all we get. Seriously no one else cares that your school closed.
Um, one of my kids is facing exactly that if the county moves forward with their proposed boundary changes. So I think I understand it pretty damn well. But nice attempt at lecturing. This happens to kids all over the world all the time for various reasons. And it sucks. But I am not so entitled as to expect others to dedicate time or resources beyond what everyone else in the county gets when transitioning to a new school.
My kids would not attend this new high school and I am not someone who expressed excitement over it being sold. But maybe you need to understand the history of this land to see why others might be excited. It sounds like the land was supposed to be used for a public high school in the first place. So in some people’s eyes this is righting a perceived wrong.
Anonymous wrote:That school has not been there for 35 years.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know through friends of friends that there have always been families who moved from other STATES to attend KAA.
Imagine what good that does for the county to bring in more business and growth and talent.
Also this friend of a friend said that with proof and certainty that alumni and parents actually put together funding and a plan to buy the building so they can keep the school running but FCPS had an inside approach and bought it before the parents could in their effort to sustain the school. So that's worth considering in this entire discussion. The parents did not want the school to shut down for a building custom-built for their community. I mean read the thread here, everyone here is saying fcps willl need to renvoate. That will take time and money. there wont be a school ready for years. Meanwhile, students who actually were attending very happily at this place and could have continued this fall (and still CAN continue this fall) with ZERO need to renovate. And they are now displaced and without a school. Some people said they felt it was an inside deal. I'm sorry to say, but this was not a fair or transparent deal. It is leaving many families broken and tons of kids crying. And the alumni were prepared to step in and buy the land to keep it in their community and that was known to all parties, buyers and sellers. FCPS doesnt need a property with the types of cultural designs in this school. And these parents were even considering with a purchase to help turn it into. a wider community center too with access to gyms, pools, etc. But now a beautiful and international community in the area can no longer benefit from it, and neither can the area benefit from the international ib program. The school is not just for Saudis or islmaic population by the way. many of the staff are neither and several students are of different backgrounds. some of the alumni and parents who were up to purchase the building have even suggested growing the school in to a general ib international school and making it more available for any student to apply to. that is all worth considering. your vision of an fcps ina. bulding that will need a TON of renovating wont come to frution for years. meanwhile a well meaning community is plug and play and ready to just continue using this as is for the fall while bringing cultural diversity to this area.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not a kaa parent but i understand the point that they are making.
to be honest, i think you are missing the point. and i hope one day you experience your kids finding a community that they truly felt they belonged to, and then have it stripped away. because it must not be pleasant at all. i read all the comments and dont think anyone was asking for any red carpet. they were just trying to get people like you to not sound so entitled or over excited about this sale that is clearly breaking apart a community and leaving countless of children and families sad over this loss. you may only understand if your child ever goes through something like this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The majority of theKAA school population are Americans, many generations of Americans, Virginians, to be exact. You are very out of touch with your very own neighbors clearly.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're comparing apples to oranges regarding buying a new house and helping people find a new home. KAA familie are tax payers too with kids who went to this school because fcps was not serving all the needs that their community wanted. on top of that many of the kaa families are legacy families. so you are talking about many decades of alumni sending their children here. this is about community, and benefit to fc as well by encouraging this community to stay intact. the mission of both kaa and fcps are very well aligned, and if you think this is so black and white like buying and selling you are wrong. the mission is the same, to educate the children in the best possible way that matches their needs and their family needs. if this were your kid you would say the same. i find your messages cold, hard and oblivious to community.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wealthy Saudis used to special treatment and hand-holding, LOL. I am honestly shocked that you expect FCPS to reach out to EVERY private school in its boundary that closes to personally counsel students on their options. All the info is on their website.
FCPS isn’t paying $150M to acquire every such school, and then likely needing to engage in several months of due diligence thereafter before closing a deal. Perfect opportunity to be decent human beings, something that apparently doesn’t align with your value system.
Are you a parent with a child in that school? It should be KAA's responsibility to help place all of its students. The administration are the ones who decided to close the school in the middle of the school year, FCPS just bought something no one else wanted.
You're being a ridiculously argumentative tool about something minor that ought to be a simple courtesy given the ongoing discussions that FCPS will be having with KAA.
All it need entail is making sure KAA staff is aware of resources and contacts within FCPS for affected families to speak with if interested.
I think you're the one being unreasonable. All of this information is available to the families very easily.
If you're familiar with FCPS, which is why some basic courtesies shown to others who may be less familiar with FCPS might go a long way.
You're the sort of person who makes waiters want to spit in your food in the kitchen before it's served.
Only the trashiest of people ever even consider spitting in someone's food, no matter how rude they are. I've worked in restaurants. That just isn't a thing a normal person even thinks about.
Only a trashy person would fight so hard against the idea that one party to a significant RE transaction would extend some basic, and very low-cost, courtesies to a counter-party. That's not how normal people behave, but perhaps you have some weird bias against Muslims and want to lay claim to their former school and pretend they were never there.
You are seriously arguing that FCPS is responsible for doing something extra for the KAA families because FCPS bought the building? The KAA administration had a responsibility to help the families find a new school before the end of the year. That could have been helping them find a good fit with another private school or helping them understand their public school options. But that was the KAA administration's responsibility, not the organization that buys the building.
I am not responsible for helping the family whose house I buy find a new home. That is their individual responsibility. Same in this case. KAA families need to have worked with the adminstration to find a new school or the Saudi government who stopped sponsoring the school.
Do diplomats pay taxes? Just curious.
Why should neighbors care about a group of people who very clearly wanted to self segregate in their own school? The local public school wasn’t good enough for your kids, but now that your school is closing you want neighbors and FCPS employees to roll out the red carpet for you? Where does this mentality come from?
It’s called Google. Look at what school your home is zoned to attend. Then look up the school website.
There you will find links to contact personnel at that school with any questions you may have. That is all any resident of this county is entitled to. Nothing more. The rest of us pay taxes too and that’s all we get. Seriously no one else cares that your school closed.
Um, one of my kids is facing exactly that if the county moves forward with their proposed boundary changes. So I think I understand it pretty damn well. But nice attempt at lecturing. This happens to kids all over the world all the time for various reasons. And it sucks. But I am not so entitled as to expect others to dedicate time or resources beyond what everyone else in the county gets when transitioning to a new school.
My kids would not attend this new high school and I am not someone who expressed excitement over it being sold. But maybe you need to understand the history of this land to see why others might be excited. It sounds like the land was supposed to be used for a public high school in the first place. So in some people’s eyes this is righting a perceived wrong.
If the seller was aware of another bid coming their way from alumni, and that alumni bid was competitive, why would they agree to an "inside deal" with FCPS that leaves money on the table?
Isn't it more likely that the seller had doubts about the ability of alumni to fund an offer?
Anonymous wrote:I know through friends of friends that there have always been families who moved from other STATES to attend KAA.
Imagine what good that does for the county to bring in more business and growth and talent.
Also this friend of a friend said that with proof and certainty that alumni and parents actually put together funding and a plan to buy the building so they can keep the school running but FCPS had an inside approach and bought it before the parents could in their effort to sustain the school. So that's worth considering in this entire discussion. The parents did not want the school to shut down for a building custom-built for their community. I mean read the thread here, everyone here is saying fcps willl need to renvoate. That will take time and money. there wont be a school ready for years. Meanwhile, students who actually were attending very happily at this place and could have continued this fall (and still CAN continue this fall) with ZERO need to renovate. And they are now displaced and without a school. Some people said they felt it was an inside deal. I'm sorry to say, but this was not a fair or transparent deal. It is leaving many families broken and tons of kids crying. And the alumni were prepared to step in and buy the land to keep it in their community and that was known to all parties, buyers and sellers. FCPS doesnt need a property with the types of cultural designs in this school. And these parents were even considering with a purchase to help turn it into. a wider community center too with access to gyms, pools, etc. But now a beautiful and international community in the area can no longer benefit from it, and neither can the area benefit from the international ib program. The school is not just for Saudis or islmaic population by the way. many of the staff are neither and several students are of different backgrounds. some of the alumni and parents who were up to purchase the building have even suggested growing the school in to a general ib international school and making it more available for any student to apply to. that is all worth considering. your vision of an fcps ina. bulding that will need a TON of renovating wont come to frution for years. meanwhile a well meaning community is plug and play and ready to just continue using this as is for the fall while bringing cultural diversity to this area.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not a kaa parent but i understand the point that they are making.
to be honest, i think you are missing the point. and i hope one day you experience your kids finding a community that they truly felt they belonged to, and then have it stripped away. because it must not be pleasant at all. i read all the comments and dont think anyone was asking for any red carpet. they were just trying to get people like you to not sound so entitled or over excited about this sale that is clearly breaking apart a community and leaving countless of children and families sad over this loss. you may only understand if your child ever goes through something like this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The majority of theKAA school population are Americans, many generations of Americans, Virginians, to be exact. You are very out of touch with your very own neighbors clearly.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're comparing apples to oranges regarding buying a new house and helping people find a new home. KAA familie are tax payers too with kids who went to this school because fcps was not serving all the needs that their community wanted. on top of that many of the kaa families are legacy families. so you are talking about many decades of alumni sending their children here. this is about community, and benefit to fc as well by encouraging this community to stay intact. the mission of both kaa and fcps are very well aligned, and if you think this is so black and white like buying and selling you are wrong. the mission is the same, to educate the children in the best possible way that matches their needs and their family needs. if this were your kid you would say the same. i find your messages cold, hard and oblivious to community.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wealthy Saudis used to special treatment and hand-holding, LOL. I am honestly shocked that you expect FCPS to reach out to EVERY private school in its boundary that closes to personally counsel students on their options. All the info is on their website.
FCPS isn’t paying $150M to acquire every such school, and then likely needing to engage in several months of due diligence thereafter before closing a deal. Perfect opportunity to be decent human beings, something that apparently doesn’t align with your value system.
Are you a parent with a child in that school? It should be KAA's responsibility to help place all of its students. The administration are the ones who decided to close the school in the middle of the school year, FCPS just bought something no one else wanted.
You're being a ridiculously argumentative tool about something minor that ought to be a simple courtesy given the ongoing discussions that FCPS will be having with KAA.
All it need entail is making sure KAA staff is aware of resources and contacts within FCPS for affected families to speak with if interested.
I think you're the one being unreasonable. All of this information is available to the families very easily.
If you're familiar with FCPS, which is why some basic courtesies shown to others who may be less familiar with FCPS might go a long way.
You're the sort of person who makes waiters want to spit in your food in the kitchen before it's served.
Only the trashiest of people ever even consider spitting in someone's food, no matter how rude they are. I've worked in restaurants. That just isn't a thing a normal person even thinks about.
Only a trashy person would fight so hard against the idea that one party to a significant RE transaction would extend some basic, and very low-cost, courtesies to a counter-party. That's not how normal people behave, but perhaps you have some weird bias against Muslims and want to lay claim to their former school and pretend they were never there.
You are seriously arguing that FCPS is responsible for doing something extra for the KAA families because FCPS bought the building? The KAA administration had a responsibility to help the families find a new school before the end of the year. That could have been helping them find a good fit with another private school or helping them understand their public school options. But that was the KAA administration's responsibility, not the organization that buys the building.
I am not responsible for helping the family whose house I buy find a new home. That is their individual responsibility. Same in this case. KAA families need to have worked with the adminstration to find a new school or the Saudi government who stopped sponsoring the school.
Do diplomats pay taxes? Just curious.
Why should neighbors care about a group of people who very clearly wanted to self segregate in their own school? The local public school wasn’t good enough for your kids, but now that your school is closing you want neighbors and FCPS employees to roll out the red carpet for you? Where does this mentality come from?
It’s called Google. Look at what school your home is zoned to attend. Then look up the school website.
There you will find links to contact personnel at that school with any questions you may have. That is all any resident of this county is entitled to. Nothing more. The rest of us pay taxes too and that’s all we get. Seriously no one else cares that your school closed.
Um, one of my kids is facing exactly that if the county moves forward with their proposed boundary changes. So I think I understand it pretty damn well. But nice attempt at lecturing. This happens to kids all over the world all the time for various reasons. And it sucks. But I am not so entitled as to expect others to dedicate time or resources beyond what everyone else in the county gets when transitioning to a new school.
My kids would not attend this new high school and I am not someone who expressed excitement over it being sold. But maybe you need to understand the history of this land to see why others might be excited. It sounds like the land was supposed to be used for a public high school in the first place. So in some people’s eyes this is righting a perceived wrong.
Anonymous wrote:It would have been a great location for a high school 15 years ago before they so much time and money expanding other schools serving western Fairfax.
Obviously if they’d really had a clear plan to build there the land would never have been transferred to the Saudis.
FCPS ought to present a compelling business case for opening a new school there now given the fact that on average it’s going to leave schools serving western Fairfax almost 20% under capacity.
I don't think Centreville, Chantilly, or Westfield or the new school will be 20% under capacity. I doubt Oakton or South Lakes will be either.
There are kids who should currently attend Chantilly are going to a far away Oakton.
There are kids who should currently attend Centreville going to far away Fairfax.
There are kids who being proposed to be split from their neighborhood and Chantilly and sent to far away Oakton.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not a kaa parent but i understand the point that they are making.
to be honest, i think you are missing the point. and i hope one day you experience your kids finding a community that they truly felt they belonged to, and then have it stripped away. because it must not be pleasant at all. i read all the comments and dont think anyone was asking for any red carpet. they were just trying to get people like you to not sound so entitled or over excited about this sale that is clearly breaking apart a community and leaving countless of children and families sad over this loss. you may only understand if your child ever goes through something like this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The majority of theKAA school population are Americans, many generations of Americans, Virginians, to be exact. You are very out of touch with your very own neighbors clearly.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're comparing apples to oranges regarding buying a new house and helping people find a new home. KAA familie are tax payers too with kids who went to this school because fcps was not serving all the needs that their community wanted. on top of that many of the kaa families are legacy families. so you are talking about many decades of alumni sending their children here. this is about community, and benefit to fc as well by encouraging this community to stay intact. the mission of both kaa and fcps are very well aligned, and if you think this is so black and white like buying and selling you are wrong. the mission is the same, to educate the children in the best possible way that matches their needs and their family needs. if this were your kid you would say the same. i find your messages cold, hard and oblivious to community.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wealthy Saudis used to special treatment and hand-holding, LOL. I am honestly shocked that you expect FCPS to reach out to EVERY private school in its boundary that closes to personally counsel students on their options. All the info is on their website.
FCPS isn’t paying $150M to acquire every such school, and then likely needing to engage in several months of due diligence thereafter before closing a deal. Perfect opportunity to be decent human beings, something that apparently doesn’t align with your value system.
Are you a parent with a child in that school? It should be KAA's responsibility to help place all of its students. The administration are the ones who decided to close the school in the middle of the school year, FCPS just bought something no one else wanted.
You're being a ridiculously argumentative tool about something minor that ought to be a simple courtesy given the ongoing discussions that FCPS will be having with KAA.
All it need entail is making sure KAA staff is aware of resources and contacts within FCPS for affected families to speak with if interested.
I think you're the one being unreasonable. All of this information is available to the families very easily.
If you're familiar with FCPS, which is why some basic courtesies shown to others who may be less familiar with FCPS might go a long way.
You're the sort of person who makes waiters want to spit in your food in the kitchen before it's served.
Only the trashiest of people ever even consider spitting in someone's food, no matter how rude they are. I've worked in restaurants. That just isn't a thing a normal person even thinks about.
Only a trashy person would fight so hard against the idea that one party to a significant RE transaction would extend some basic, and very low-cost, courtesies to a counter-party. That's not how normal people behave, but perhaps you have some weird bias against Muslims and want to lay claim to their former school and pretend they were never there.
You are seriously arguing that FCPS is responsible for doing something extra for the KAA families because FCPS bought the building? The KAA administration had a responsibility to help the families find a new school before the end of the year. That could have been helping them find a good fit with another private school or helping them understand their public school options. But that was the KAA administration's responsibility, not the organization that buys the building.
I am not responsible for helping the family whose house I buy find a new home. That is their individual responsibility. Same in this case. KAA families need to have worked with the adminstration to find a new school or the Saudi government who stopped sponsoring the school.
Do diplomats pay taxes? Just curious.
Why should neighbors care about a group of people who very clearly wanted to self segregate in their own school? The local public school wasn’t good enough for your kids, but now that your school is closing you want neighbors and FCPS employees to roll out the red carpet for you? Where does this mentality come from?
It’s called Google. Look at what school your home is zoned to attend. Then look up the school website.
There you will find links to contact personnel at that school with any questions you may have. That is all any resident of this county is entitled to. Nothing more. The rest of us pay taxes too and that’s all we get. Seriously no one else cares that your school closed.
Um, one of my kids is facing exactly that if the county moves forward with their proposed boundary changes. So I think I understand it pretty damn well. But nice attempt at lecturing. This happens to kids all over the world all the time for various reasons. And it sucks. But I am not so entitled as to expect others to dedicate time or resources beyond what everyone else in the county gets when transitioning to a new school.
My kids would not attend this new high school and I am not someone who expressed excitement over it being sold. But maybe you need to understand the history of this land to see why others might be excited. It sounds like the land was supposed to be used for a public high school in the first place. So in some people’s eyes this is righting a perceived wrong.
So it is righting a wrong by displacing families and children who have attended this school in some form for 35 plus years? This entire thread is all about school redistricting. That's exactly the point, where to place a school, depending on demographics, land, etc., always changes. Go to every single county in this country and tell me that never happens, that something is always "supposed" to be for one purpose forever. You sound like someone who would be eager to kick your neighbor out even if they have been there a long time simply because in your mind something was supposed to be another way. and you seem to hold unnecessary grudges out of what..hate? why be so degrading and spiteful to well-meaning parents and children. i feel sorry for you carrying around such heavy weight of whatever it is you are dealing with. again i have no association to the school but i think there could have been a better way especially given fcps had alot of funding. i have heard many parents at kaa have asked fcps to sit with them and discuss possiblities of keeping some of classes or programs or make it a magnet school so that some of these families might be able to find continuity in their children's education.