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Anonymous wrote:Trump won this round, Colombia blinked. Your coffee and cut flower prices are safe /s

Byebye illegal immigrants

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/trump-colombia-tariffs-paused

LATEST UPDATE:

Trump pausing Colombia tariffs after migrants deal, White House says

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“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement.”

”The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”

”Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation’s sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”

So flights to Colombia can continue just as they were happening during the Biden administration.

Not quite the same. Colombian president was upset because they are being treated like criminals and handcuffed with Trump. That was his protest. Other than that same as Biden except Trump is doing everything he can to make it a spectacular show.

Not quite the same. Colombia was turning planes back, not anymore. Colombia actually offering to send their own planes to take people back.

Actually, it sounds like the decision to turn back the plane was a unilateral one by their president who is a “colorful” guy like Trump. The two had a pissing match on x for hours before calmer and more mature officials prevailed and smoothed things out.

From the WP this evening:

“Despite the detente, the dramatic dispute was the most significant diplomatic crisis in decades between the United States and one of its most important allies in Latin America.
It also apparently took officials from both countries by surprise.

Washington and Bogotá have for years had a bilateral agreement allowing for regular deportation flights that have, until now, gone to Colombia at the rate of at least twice a week without problems.
Under the agreement, the United States sends Colombia a manifest 48 hours in advance of the flights with the names of the deportees, and Colombia provides authorization before the planes take off. That happened in this case, according to a Colombian official who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive issue, and Bogotá agreed to accept the flight.
It was unclear whether or when Petro was made aware that, for the first time, the planes being used were U.S. military C-17s, although video of shackled deportees being marched onto military aircraft was widely televised and posted on social media.

The Colombian official said more than 200 people were on the two flights to Colombia. The planes were approaching Bogotá early Sunday morning when Petro “decided to deny entry” and, within minutes, posted on X that he had done so, the official said.
Shortly thereafter, Trump posted about his retaliatory actions, with Colombia’s Petro matching his bluster on social media promising retaliatory duties.”

Anonymous wrote:This is not going to go well for Columbia.

They’ll be fine, traffic around Merriweather Post Pavilion will still suck though.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump won this round, Colombia blinked. Your coffee and cut flower prices are safe /s

Byebye illegal immigrants

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/trump-colombia-tariffs-paused

LATEST UPDATE:

Trump pausing Colombia tariffs after migrants deal, White House says

• ⁠


“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement.”

”The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”

”Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation’s sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”

So flights to Colombia can continue just as they were happening during the Biden administration.

Not quite the same. Colombian president was upset because they are being treated like criminals and handcuffed with Trump. That was his protest. Other than that same as Biden except Trump is doing everything he can to make it a spectacular show.

Not quite the same. Colombia was turning planes back, not anymore. Colombia actually offering to send their own planes to take people back.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump won this round, Colombia blinked. Your coffee and cut flower prices are safe /s

Byebye illegal immigrants

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/trump-colombia-tariffs-paused

LATEST UPDATE:

Trump pausing Colombia tariffs after migrants deal, White House says

• ⁠


“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement.”

”The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”

”Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation’s sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”

So flights to Colombia can continue just as they were happening during the Biden administration.

Not quite the same. Colombian president was upset because they are being treated like criminals and handcuffed with Trump. That was his protest. Other than that same as Biden except Trump is doing everything he can to make it a spectacular show.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump won this round, Colombia blinked. Your coffee and cut flower prices are safe /s

Byebye illegal immigrants

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/trump-colombia-tariffs-paused

LATEST UPDATE:

Trump pausing Colombia tariffs after migrants deal, White House says

• ⁠


“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement.”

”The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”

”Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation’s sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”

So flights to Colombia can continue just as they were happening during the Biden administration.

So flights to Colombia can continue just as they were happening during the Biden administration?

Exactly, LOL! It’ll be business as usual.

Who is the lady arriving in Chicago with Trump?

Anonymous wrote:Trump won this round, Colombia blinked. Your coffee and cut flower prices are safe /s

Byebye illegal immigrants

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/trump-colombia-tariffs-paused

LATEST UPDATE:

Trump pausing Colombia tariffs after migrants deal, White House says

• ⁠


“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement.”

”The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”

”Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation’s sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”

So flights to Colombia can continue just as they were happening during the Biden administration.

Trump won this round, Colombia blinked. Your coffee and cut flower prices are safe /s

Byebye illegal immigrants

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/trump-colombia-tariffs-paused

LATEST UPDATE:

Trump pausing Colombia tariffs after migrants deal, White House says

• ⁠


“The Government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump’s terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States, including on U.S. military aircraft, without limitation or delay. Based on this agreement, the fully drafted IEEPA tariffs and sanctions will be held in reserve, and not signed, unless Colombia fails to honor this agreement.”

”The visa sanctions issued by the State Department, and enhanced inspections from Customs and Border Protection, will remain in effect until the first planeload of Colombian deportees is successfully returned.”

”Today’s events make clear to the world that America is respected again. President Trump will continue to fiercely protect our nation’s sovereignty, and he expects all other nations of the world to fully cooperate in accepting the deportation of their citizens illegally present in the United States.”

This is not going to go well for Columbia.

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I care more about how illegal immigrants have placed such a drain on our economy.

Ironically, the illegal immigrants are not actually a drain on our economy. They work jobs that native born Americans won't do and they don't collect what they pay into the system in the form of payroll and sales taxes. They work harder because they are more desperate.

According to most economic research, the net economic impact of illegal immigrants on the US economy is generally considered to be positive, as they contribute to the economy by paying taxes, filling labor gaps in certain sectors, and boosting consumer spending, although the exact impact is debated and can vary depending on factors like the specific demographics of the immigrant population and regional economic conditions; however, some argue that the costs associated with social services and potential wage depression for low-skilled workers can partially offset these positive effects.

Well then; it’s been “studied” to find the conclusion wanted. So let’s just not even have citizenship or borders. What a crazy concept in the first place.

Why stop there. Why even have a nation state. We all know how horrible the United States of America is. Might as well just toss that out while we are at it.

Rant away all you want. This group of people is significant to our economy.

You think if you go ahead and scratch your itch about this fake idea that we don't have a country if we don't deport all these people., anything is going to improve.
It will be a net negative to this country and lots of families, maybe including yours, just to "own the libs' or some such nonsense.

I don't have all the answers. This negotiated border bill seems like it would be a good place to start since it was accomplished by our elected representatives. Letting Trump loose with some half-baked mass deportation scheme that seems incredibly poorly thought out doesn't really seem to be helping you or me or anyone.

What you are posting is a series of rants.

The proper course of action here is to cut off the diseased limb and start over from scratch. The diseased limb here is allowing illegal immigration to fester. If somebody wants to come up with a realistic plan that doesn’t involve a tier of effectively sub-people who aren’t actual citizens to keep prices low, they can have at it. Until then, the illegals need to be removed.

Dream on. Pictures and video of deportees in chains been captured. Just run the reel over and over. You think this con artist in chief is just actually going to damage the economy for nothing. It's probably going to be more or less business as usual, just with a lot more chains and shackles and super expensive planes.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has just put sanctions on our largest supplier of cut flowers and coffee days before Valentine's day.

Oh the horror!

You don’t care about small businesses being affected by tariffs?

I care more about how illegal immigrants have placed such a drain on our economy.

We know. You keep telling us every minute. Do you have any other concerns or interests in life?

The PP has no idea what she is talking about. (She's probably posting from Russia.)

Immigrants pay taxes. They take jobs that Americans won't take. They add so much money TO our economy.

The right-wing oligarchy is spreading this smear campaign of lies about immigrants draining our economy to hide the fact that the oligarchy is the actual drain on our economy!! They are stealing us blind right beneath our noses.

The immigrants are keeping our economy going.

The right-wing won't deport a fraction of the number they claim they will because to do so will crash the US economy.

Those deportations won't happen, except to a few hundred thousand poor undocumented souls, most of whom will keep trying until they get into the US.

And when they get here, they will find jobs because America needs workers.

How much in taxes?

How much is recouped vs expenditures for them plus children?

How many dollars are sent overseas?

How much housing would be available if they were removed?

How much would you house cost if it was built by Americans? You love the cheap shit cheap labor affords you. Hypocrite

No I'm happy to pay more for American labor.

Wanting cheap stuff ruins American jobs. I want a strong American labor.

I don't want to reward exploitative labor practices.i have no idea why Democrats would support that.

Sounds like you value union jobs then! Good for you.

Did a little light bulb go off in your head as to why all labor unions didn’t endorse Biden/Harris?

Because it should have.

The vast majority did so FO.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has just put sanctions on our largest supplier of cut flowers and coffee days before Valentine's day.

Oh the horror!

You don’t care about small businesses being affected by tariffs?

I care more about how illegal immigrants have placed such a drain on our economy.

We know. You keep telling us every minute. Do you have any other concerns or interests in life?

The PP has no idea what she is talking about. (She's probably posting from Russia.)

Immigrants pay taxes. They take jobs that Americans won't take. They add so much money TO our economy.

The right-wing oligarchy is spreading this smear campaign of lies about immigrants draining our economy to hide the fact that the oligarchy is the actual drain on our economy!! They are stealing us blind right beneath our noses.

The immigrants are keeping our economy going.

The right-wing won't deport a fraction of the number they claim they will because to do so will crash the US economy.

Those deportations won't happen, except to a few hundred thousand poor undocumented souls, most of whom will keep trying until they get into the US.

And when they get here, they will find jobs because America needs workers.

How much in taxes?

How much is recouped vs expenditures for them plus children?

How many dollars are sent overseas?

How much housing would be available if they were removed?

How much would you house cost if it was built by Americans? You love the cheap shit cheap labor affords you. Hypocrite

No I'm happy to pay more for American labor.

Wanting cheap stuff ruins American jobs. I want a strong American labor.

I don't want to reward exploitative labor practices.i have no idea why Democrats would support that.

Sounds like you value union jobs then! Good for you.

Did a little light bulb go off in your head as to why all labor unions didn’t endorse Biden/Harris?

Because it should have.

Anonymous wrote:And Trump already caved. Agreed to stop sending them shackled and in a humane way. Just like Biden had been doing for years. What a stupid blow up.

Why would he need to shake them if they're flying on the president's plane? Just toss them on and if they attack their own president's staff and pilot, let them sort it out.

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I care more about how illegal immigrants have placed such a drain on our economy.

Ironically, the illegal immigrants are not actually a drain on our economy. They work jobs that native born Americans won't do and they don't collect what they pay into the system in the form of payroll and sales taxes. They work harder because they are more desperate.

According to most economic research, the net economic impact of illegal immigrants on the US economy is generally considered to be positive, as they contribute to the economy by paying taxes, filling labor gaps in certain sectors, and boosting consumer spending, although the exact impact is debated and can vary depending on factors like the specific demographics of the immigrant population and regional economic conditions; however, some argue that the costs associated with social services and potential wage depression for low-skilled workers can partially offset these positive effects.

Well then; it’s been “studied” to find the conclusion wanted. So let’s just not even have citizenship or borders. What a crazy concept in the first place.

Why stop there. Why even have a nation state. We all know how horrible the United States of America is. Might as well just toss that out while we are at it.

There has always been a system of trying to keep people out who are not legally here. The problem right now is Trump is a compulsive liar and is shameless about it. “They’re all rapists and murderers” is his famous stupid comment.

And it’s 100% accurate that these immigrants do the jobs no one else will do and they stay out of trouble. I know many illegal immigrants and their families. Typically they are working jobs, paying rent and take nothing from the government. If Trump was honest he would talk about the gang members from various countries who terrorize the honest immigrants and Americans born here. They need to be removed immediately and should be the number one priority. .

Gang violence and other dangerous crime should be the number 1 priority.

However, we should severely penalize American employers hiring illegal immigrants. It's exploitative. Put the blame where it belongs, on companies undercutting American labor and taking advantage of desperate people

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

Well yes they can sue you if you hire them and don’t pay them. Do you think you are entitled to their labor for free?

A page ago there was "no way" an undocumented worker was going to show up to court, now "of course they can sue you"

Well, which is it?

Can =/= actually will

You were talking about an illegal suing you for citizenship status discrimination after giving you fake documents. There is zero risk that would actually happen even if it’s theoretically possible. Suing you for wage theft is entirely different.

It happens every day in this country. There are law firms that specialize in it. They send people in with fake documents to specifically see if you mention it. I think it’s as dumb as everyone else. My point is everyone says "blame the employers" but do not realize there are laws in place to specifically tie the employers hands. It’s frustrating to get blamed for something out of my control.

I 100% think if you allowed employers to question it, it would help slow the flow.

It’s quite the conundrum. What do you plan to do moving forward?

Keep on educating people so hopefully they’ll stop blaming the employers and hold the people who are actually breaking the law accountable