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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

Feel free to google ‘NYC parks and dogs’ and you will find an official list of the many parks in the city that allow off leash dogs, including 23 areas in Central Park alone.

Go find another hobby other than worrying about other people and what their dogs are doing or not doing. And I’ll add that the RULES say that no aggressive dogs should be brought in the parks, leashed or not. Which was the entire point of this post- people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

Relax, lady. Yes it’s an informal dog run. Obviously I know it’s not official, but it’s a small section of a park where dog owners convene. I didn’t create it.

No backyards, but thanks for assuming.

Somehow I think you might be a pit bull owner and frankly we all hope you don’t come around with your dog and ruin it for the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of us have posted in this thread about our kids being scared of dogs, dogs running up to our kids etc. kids running up to strange dogs is just not the problem you’re making it out to be. Keep your dog leashed and don’t let it touch me or my kid. Thanks!!

I have a kid who is terrified of dogs and I can't stand off leash dogs or dogs on long leads where the owner isn't controlling them fir this reason.

However, there are absolutely kids who will walk right up to dogs and try to pet them. I've seen my kid's friends do this many times, and I'm always surprised by it because my kid would never. I didn't have to train my kid not to do it, but some kids do need to be trained on this.

It is the parents fault but some dog owners make it worse by taking their dogs to kid-friendly places and encouraging kids to interact with the dogs without telling them how to do so safely. People often try to get my kid to come pet their dog even though she obviously doesn't want to, and will sometimes be visibly offended when she says no. We make sure she knows it's always okay for her to decline an invite to interact with a dog, but many kids are adult pleasers by nature and this can make them feel like they are supposed to pet dogs or adults will be hurt. It's dumb. No one is required to pet your dog, praise your dog, be interested in your dog.

Again, the main problem is not kids running up to dogs. It is the dog owners, FULL F ING STOP. I have had this experience so many times - it's almost offensive to people if you don't want to kneel down and worship their dog, you or your children. I have had dog owners literally cross the street after me when I cross the street to avoid their dog, trying to get myself and my kid to interact when we clearly don't want to. Most dog owners are verging on mentally ill at this point.

I cannot state this enough. KEEP YOUR DOG TO YOURSELF. I don't want to touch your dog. I don't want your dog to touch me. My kid also does not want to touch or be touched by your dog. JUST STOP IT.

I definitely don't believe this. No one cares that much about you, really.

I wish I were making it up, truly. People get so weird and offended if you don’t want to “say hi” to their “friendly dog”. Meanwhile the dog is barking and snarling like freaking cujo as my kid and I try to get away.

This did not happen, but ok, continue to live in your fantasy world

Dp if my dog was acting that way I don't think I would invite you or your kids over. That makes zero sense

Again, wish I was making it up! But I’m not. I assure you it has happened. There are news articles about similar things. Remember the kid who got mauled at an airport a couple years ago because the dog owner invited the kid to pet their dog and then the dog snapped?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

Feel free to google ‘NYC parks and dogs’ and you will find an official list of the many parks in the city that allow off leash dogs, including 23 areas in Central Park alone.

Go find another hobby other than worrying about other people and what their dogs are doing or not doing. And I’ll add that the RULES say that no aggressive dogs should be brought in the parks, leashed or not. Which was the entire point of this post- people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas.

Uhh that's not what the title or OP says. Nice attempt with another backpedal I guess? You're very transparent and throwing out personal insults and calling posters mentally ill for correcting your assumptions just makes you look uneducated and furthers the case about how entitled and dumb you are.

+1 the projection is STRONG with this one!

If the post was supposed to be about "people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas", that should've been the title. OP was doing a stupid thing, heard that stupid thing is legal in other places, now claims it's legal in OP's case, and is sockpuppeting the thread, calling everyone else mental for pointing out the obvious: legal or not, letting your dog run off leash is stupid af, as are the overwhelming majority of the people who do it.

Can't wait to see what OP's gonna pop off about next

No offense but you need help
Do you even have a dog? If so, what kind?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

Feel free to google ‘NYC parks and dogs’ and you will find an official list of the many parks in the city that allow off leash dogs, including 23 areas in Central Park alone.

Go find another hobby other than worrying about other people and what their dogs are doing or not doing. And I’ll add that the RULES say that no aggressive dogs should be brought in the parks, leashed or not. Which was the entire point of this post- people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas.

Uhh that's not what the title or OP says. Nice attempt with another backpedal I guess? You're very transparent and throwing out personal insults and calling posters mentally ill for correcting your assumptions just makes you look uneducated and furthers the case about how entitled and dumb you are.

+1 the projection is STRONG with this one!

If the post was supposed to be about "people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas", that should've been the title. OP was doing a stupid thing, heard that stupid thing is legal in other places, now claims it's legal in OP's case, and is sockpuppeting the thread, calling everyone else mental for pointing out the obvious: legal or not, letting your dog run off leash is stupid af, as are the overwhelming majority of the people who do it.

Can't wait to see what OP's gonna pop off about next

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Anonymous wrote:So many of us have posted in this thread about our kids being scared of dogs, dogs running up to our kids etc. kids running up to strange dogs is just not the problem you’re making it out to be. Keep your dog leashed and don’t let it touch me or my kid. Thanks!!

I have a kid who is terrified of dogs and I can't stand off leash dogs or dogs on long leads where the owner isn't controlling them fir this reason.

However, there are absolutely kids who will walk right up to dogs and try to pet them. I've seen my kid's friends do this many times, and I'm always surprised by it because my kid would never. I didn't have to train my kid not to do it, but some kids do need to be trained on this.

It is the parents fault but some dog owners make it worse by taking their dogs to kid-friendly places and encouraging kids to interact with the dogs without telling them how to do so safely. People often try to get my kid to come pet their dog even though she obviously doesn't want to, and will sometimes be visibly offended when she says no. We make sure she knows it's always okay for her to decline an invite to interact with a dog, but many kids are adult pleasers by nature and this can make them feel like they are supposed to pet dogs or adults will be hurt. It's dumb. No one is required to pet your dog, praise your dog, be interested in your dog.

Again, the main problem is not kids running up to dogs. It is the dog owners, FULL F ING STOP. I have had this experience so many times - it's almost offensive to people if you don't want to kneel down and worship their dog, you or your children. I have had dog owners literally cross the street after me when I cross the street to avoid their dog, trying to get myself and my kid to interact when we clearly don't want to. Most dog owners are verging on mentally ill at this point.

I cannot state this enough. KEEP YOUR DOG TO YOURSELF. I don't want to touch your dog. I don't want your dog to touch me. My kid also does not want to touch or be touched by your dog. JUST STOP IT.

I definitely don't believe this. No one cares that much about you, really.

I wish I were making it up, truly. People get so weird and offended if you don’t want to “say hi” to their “friendly dog”. Meanwhile the dog is barking and snarling like freaking cujo as my kid and I try to get away.

This did not happen, but ok, continue to live in your fantasy world

Dp if my dog was acting that way I don't think I would invite you or your kids over. That makes zero sense

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

Feel free to google ‘NYC parks and dogs’ and you will find an official list of the many parks in the city that allow off leash dogs, including 23 areas in Central Park alone.

Go find another hobby other than worrying about other people and what their dogs are doing or not doing. And I’ll add that the RULES say that no aggressive dogs should be brought in the parks, leashed or not. Which was the entire point of this post- people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas.

Uhh that's not what the title or OP says. Nice attempt with another backpedal I guess? You're very transparent and throwing out personal insults and calling posters mentally ill for correcting your assumptions just makes you look uneducated and furthers the case about how entitled and dumb you are.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

Feel free to google ‘NYC parks and dogs’ and you will find an official list of the many parks in the city that allow off leash dogs, including 23 areas in Central Park alone.

Go find another hobby other than worrying about other people and what their dogs are doing or not doing. And I’ll add that the RULES say that no aggressive dogs should be brought in the parks, leashed or not. Which was the entire point of this post- people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

Feel free to google ‘NYC parks and dogs’ and you will find an official list of the many parks in the city that allow off leash dogs, including 23 areas in Central Park alone.

Go find another hobby other than worrying about other people and what their dogs are doing or not doing. And I’ll add that the RULES say that no aggressive dogs should be brought in the parks, leashed or not. Which was the entire point of this post- people who insist on having aggressive breed dogs in populated areas.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

I don't believe you because you didn't specify in your OP that you only use it off leash at specific times. You made it sound like you use it this way all the time. If you have a golden then you'd have to take them out for walks more than once a day in the early morning - the OP of this thread is clearly taking their dog to their local park and letting them run around off leash at all times of the day.

You either aren't OP or you are OP and you are lying about the park having off leash hours or lying that you only use it during off leash hours. You're a liar and a bad dog owner either way.

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This is OPs reply on the first page

"Relax, lady. Yes it’s an informal dog run. Obviously I know it’s not official, but it’s a small section of a park where dog owners convene. I didn’t create it."

Yeah, and keep reading. Brooklyn poster posted about her park, and so I checked my park. I know your mental illness prevents you from seeing things other than in black and white, and you were oh so excited to be able to rage about off leash ILLEGAL dogs that you can fantasize about kicking.

Normal people don’t give a shit about this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

Because you sound so calm...

Since your reading comprehension is obviously lacking, yes, someone posted a sign from a non-DC area park saying that, at that specific park, there were off-leash hours. That doesn't mean it's okay everywhere, and while there may be similar signs here, I've never seen one, nor did anyone else post them to the thread.

And even if there are off-leash hours, you're still responsible for keeping your dog away from others.

Yeah, I know. A Brooklyn poster mentioned it so I - op- went to check bc that’s near where I live. And guess what? Same thing in my park. So go find something else to rage about other than worrying about people BREAKING THE LAW and dreaming about how you’re going to kick or pepper spray an animal.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of us have posted in this thread about our kids being scared of dogs, dogs running up to our kids etc. kids running up to strange dogs is just not the problem you’re making it out to be. Keep your dog leashed and don’t let it touch me or my kid. Thanks!!

I have a kid who is terrified of dogs and I can't stand off leash dogs or dogs on long leads where the owner isn't controlling them fir this reason.

However, there are absolutely kids who will walk right up to dogs and try to pet them. I've seen my kid's friends do this many times, and I'm always surprised by it because my kid would never. I didn't have to train my kid not to do it, but some kids do need to be trained on this.

It is the parents fault but some dog owners make it worse by taking their dogs to kid-friendly places and encouraging kids to interact with the dogs without telling them how to do so safely. People often try to get my kid to come pet their dog even though she obviously doesn't want to, and will sometimes be visibly offended when she says no. We make sure she knows it's always okay for her to decline an invite to interact with a dog, but many kids are adult pleasers by nature and this can make them feel like they are supposed to pet dogs or adults will be hurt. It's dumb. No one is required to pet your dog, praise your dog, be interested in your dog.

Again, the main problem is not kids running up to dogs. It is the dog owners, FULL F ING STOP. I have had this experience so many times - it's almost offensive to people if you don't want to kneel down and worship their dog, you or your children. I have had dog owners literally cross the street after me when I cross the street to avoid their dog, trying to get myself and my kid to interact when we clearly don't want to. Most dog owners are verging on mentally ill at this point.

I cannot state this enough. KEEP YOUR DOG TO YOURSELF. I don't want to touch your dog. I don't want your dog to touch me. My kid also does not want to touch or be touched by your dog. JUST STOP IT.

I definitely don't believe this. No one cares that much about you, really.

I wish I were making it up, truly. People get so weird and offended if you don’t want to “say hi” to their “friendly dog”. Meanwhile the dog is barking and snarling like freaking cujo as my kid and I try to get away.

This did not happen, but ok, continue to live in your fantasy world

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

I don't believe you because you didn't specify in your OP that you only use it off leash at specific times. You made it sound like you use it this way all the time. If you have a golden then you'd have to take them out for walks more than once a day in the early morning - the OP of this thread is clearly taking their dog to their local park and letting them run around off leash at all times of the day.

You either aren't OP or you are OP and you are lying about the park having off leash hours or lying that you only use it during off leash hours. You're a liar and a bad dog owner either way.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

Sure, you're OP. On the anon board. Where there's no proof...

As for your claim that it's all-caps AUTHORIZED, cite your sources. Pics or it didn't happen. Freak.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

As someone who’s not a dog lover or a pet lover of any kind, thank you!! You’ve summed up my feelings perfectly. Maybe they will listen to you since you actually have a dog!

Maybe you didn’t follow the thread. Yea, it’s an official dog run. Just during off hours (early AM and PM).

Relax you freaks

You are the one not following. It is an i formal dog run.

No, you didn’t follow. Turns out it’s legal during certain hours. Relax, you freaks. Jesus

No, I'm sorry you can't read.

OP specifically said their "dog run" is unofficial.

Some other posters have posted about parks near them that have formal off leash hours that are signed. Someone mentioned Prospect Park in NY (not OP's park) and others said their parks have this too. But OP did not say this and also the way she describes it does not make it sound like off leash hours (which are usually in the morning or just before dark when there are few if any kids in the park).

Even if OP's park had off leash ours (it doesn't), many other posters have posted about people turning parks near them into "unofficial" dog runs by flouting leash laws. The whole topic of this thread is whether dog owners feel comfortable letting their dogs of leash in places where it is NOT allowed, or if they worry that if their dog were to bite or hurt someone (or some dog) while off leash in a place where leash laws apply, if they would be blamed.

The answer is yes, 100%, if you violate leash laws and neglect to leash your dog anywhere but in designated off leash areas, people will hold you responsible if your dog hurts someone else or someone else's dog. It remains amazing to me that anyone would think this is debatable, and yet here is this thread as a testament to the idiocy of some human beings.

Nope. I’m op. And you are a total freakshow who is way too invested in other people ‘breaking the law’. After the discussion on here, and someone mentioning that their park near where I live allows off leash during certain hours, I went and checked. My local park allows off leash dogs in the AM. I didn’t realize it at first, I just knew that my neighbors all gathered in the early AM with their dogs, so I started joining them. I assumed it was a work schedule thing, but turns out it’s because it’s legal. Ie AUTHORIZED

So you’ll have to find another cause to be angry about today. Good luck

I don't believe you because you didn't specify in your OP that you only use it off leash at specific times. You made it sound like you use it this way all the time. If you have a golden then you'd have to take them out for walks more than once a day in the early morning - the OP of this thread is clearly taking their dog to their local park and letting them run around off leash at all times of the day.

You either aren't OP or you are OP and you are lying about the park having off leash hours or lying that you only use it during off leash hours. You're a liar and a bad dog owner either way.

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This is OPs reply on the first page

"Relax, lady. Yes it’s an informal dog run. Obviously I know it’s not official, but it’s a small section of a park where dog owners convene. I didn’t create it."