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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

What an incredibly weird and insensitive take. Every pregnancy has the risk of life-threatening complications.

But do you consider the possibility of having an abortion with each pregnancy?

DP

Are you this dense? Anti abortion laws make it more difficult/risky for doctors to perform life saving abortions even if the law has an exception for the life of the mother (because it inserts a legal process into a medical decision). Abortion care is healthcare.

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They do not understand that an abortion can be “life saving.” It literally does not compute in their little heads. Impossible to negotiate with these people who do not even share the same set of facts as you and me. Breaking them with sheer political power and electoral might is the only language they understand.

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

What an incredibly weird and insensitive take. Every pregnancy has the risk of life-threatening complications.

But do you consider the possibility of having an abortion with each pregnancy?

DP

Are you this dense? Anti abortion laws make it more difficult/risky for doctors to perform life saving abortions even if the law has an exception for the life of the mother (because it inserts a legal process into a medical decision). Abortion care is healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

It’s creepy that you are so ignorant. Pregnancy is actually quite dangerous for women. Multiple things can go wrong and sadly often do. Why do you suppose there are so many superstitions about preparing for a baby before his or her healthy arrival?

Add in unacceptably high maternal mortality rates in the United States (more than double that of other high income countries) and yeah, there is a lot of scope for tragic outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

What an incredibly weird and insensitive take. Every pregnancy has the risk of life-threatening complications.

But do you consider the possibility of having an abortion with each pregnancy?

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

What an incredibly weird and insensitive take. Every pregnancy has the risk of life-threatening complications.

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

No, we’re just not callous to those who do experience tragedies and firmly believe they need protecting. Someone in this thread prefers to ignore women in the margins with language like “almost all” and “most” and “potential” as if it’s okay to sacrifice some women to their shitty “pro-life” pov.

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

NP. My best friend just lost a very wanted, planned pregnancy. They showed up to the 12-week appointment and learned there was no heartbeat. She has a long medical history (and is a cancer survivor) and didn’t want to have to be put under for a D&C, so she had to take mifepristone (the abortion pill) to expel the pregnancy.

Psychotic Republicans in red states want to make this pill illegal. They have literally said it. Thankfully my friend is in MD, but it is a completely reasonable and rational fear that red states will pass laws that literally interfere with reproductive healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:The better question is how this poll squares with the rise in GOP registrations in Iowa and her own previous polling just a couple months ago that didn’t match this surge.

between a "couple of months ago" and now, an abortion ban was implemented.

Maga’s refusal to grasp this is like in a movie where the antagonist has murdered a beloved main character and has some sort of mental block about what they’ve done. Maga can keep pretending that their abortion bans aren’t a big deal, that all it means is that irresponsible 20 somethings won’t be able to go out with their fellow lady friend sluts and get abortions on a Friday night, but they’re only fooling themselves.

This. Women vote to improve and protect the community.

A lot of post menopausal women are pro life or happy with this decided at the state level. This random twitter lady doesn’t speak for all women.

I don’t know a single post-menopausal woman who would want the state deciding this if it was their daughter who was raped and pregnant— I know plenty of Catholics and I think some of them might even carry that baby but to pretend they know the answer for everyone? No

Almost all states have rape exceptions.

Jfc, as if that makes it a good thing.

It was dumb to argue as if it is an either or question. You can have state abortion limitations that account for the rare cases of rape induced pregnancies.
And most states do.

You realize that real women live under these draconian laws which you gloss over with your the language of “most” and “almost all”. It’s gross.

Those real women are voters in the states with those restrictions. Unlike with roe vs wade, they can take actions from campaigning to voting to enact the regulations that most match their values.

You seem to forget that pro life women exist.

How could anyone forget, that’s how we got here.

But I have fabulous news for pro-life women. Pregnancy isn’t contagious and they never have to have an abortion.

Reproductive health care is between a woman and her doctor. It doesn’t matter in the slightest what anyone in the waiting room, down the street, or at the nearby McDonalds thinks. People need to keep their personally held religious beliefs to themselves. No one in this country should be ruled by someone else’s religion. It’s anti-American.

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

Exactly. It’s as though every woman is …..expected?….. to have at least one abortion at some point, and if they don’t, they’re somehow less-than.

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Anonymous wrote:The better question is how this poll squares with the rise in GOP registrations in Iowa and her own previous polling just a couple months ago that didn’t match this surge.

between a "couple of months ago" and now, an abortion ban was implemented.

Maga’s refusal to grasp this is like in a movie where the antagonist has murdered a beloved main character and has some sort of mental block about what they’ve done. Maga can keep pretending that their abortion bans aren’t a big deal, that all it means is that irresponsible 20 somethings won’t be able to go out with their fellow lady friend sluts and get abortions on a Friday night, but they’re only fooling themselves.

This. Women vote to improve and protect the community.

A lot of post menopausal women are pro life or happy with this decided at the state level. This random twitter lady doesn’t speak for all women.

I don’t know a single post-menopausal woman who would want the state deciding this if it was their daughter who was raped and pregnant— I know plenty of Catholics and I think some of them might even carry that baby but to pretend they know the answer for everyone? No

Almost all states have rape exceptions.

Jfc, as if that makes it a good thing.

It was dumb to argue as if it is an either or question. You can have state abortion limitations that account for the rare cases of rape induced pregnancies.
And most states do.

You realize that real women live under these draconian laws which you gloss over with your the language of “most” and “almost all”. It’s gross.

Those real women are voters in the states with those restrictions. Unlike with roe vs wade, they can take actions from campaigning to voting to enact the regulations that most match their values.

You seem to forget that pro life women exist.

What I don’t understand is it’s going to soon affect pregnant women, especially with high risk of unknown complications, in those states because doctors and specialists are leaving Florida and Texas and the South in record numbers. Nobody thinks of the unintended consequences.

They think about them. They have been told ad nauseum and they do not care. Women's lives are utterly unimportant to them (of course they somehow believe their wives and daughters will somehow be protected)

But these are women voting anti-choice, per the pp I responded to. They’re putting their own pregnancies at risk.

Yes, and they’ll run their hypocritical butts to Minnesota or Illinois when the crap hits the fan, if it’s something that can wait a day’s travel.

Or they’ll die for want of medical care and only then will their husband and mother realize what they’ve done, what they’ve supported.

It's really amazing how many are going all in with this outlier poll, interpreting voting trends that none of the hundreds of other polls nationally have captured. I wish you all the best of luck Tuesday night when reality strikes.

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Anonymous wrote:just watched ann seltzer interviewed on rachel maddow's show. she's very confident about her poll.

seltzer says senior women (over 65) are breaking 2 to 1 for harris. and while trump is still winning men overall in iowa, he's actually losing senior men to harris.

The notion that trump is losing senior men in Iowa is asinine.

They don’t want Medicare cuts. What’s hard to understand? Also, they’re probably more apt to read the news and therefore know that Elon says it’s going to be two years of belt-tightening while they cut $2 trillion and because the market instability due to mass deportations. If you live on a fixed income this doesn’t sound palatable.

This isn't happening

Trump proposed Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid cuts in every single budget while he was President.

Ok. It does not account for the majority of senior men voting against him, which they are not

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Anonymous wrote:just watched ann seltzer interviewed on rachel maddow's show. she's very confident about her poll.

seltzer says senior women (over 65) are breaking 2 to 1 for harris. and while trump is still winning men overall in iowa, he's actually losing senior men to harris.

The notion that trump is losing senior men in Iowa is asinine.

They don’t want Medicare cuts. What’s hard to understand? Also, they’re probably more apt to read the news and therefore know that Elon says it’s going to be two years of belt-tightening while they cut $2 trillion and because the market instability due to mass deportations. If you live on a fixed income this doesn’t sound palatable.

This isn't happening

Trump proposed Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid cuts in every single budget while he was President.

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Anonymous wrote:just watched ann seltzer interviewed on rachel maddow's show. she's very confident about her poll.

seltzer says senior women (over 65) are breaking 2 to 1 for harris. and while trump is still winning men overall in iowa, he's actually losing senior men to harris.

The notion that trump is losing senior men in Iowa is asinine.

They don’t want Medicare cuts. What’s hard to understand? Also, they’re probably more apt to read the news and therefore know that Elon says it’s going to be two years of belt-tightening while they cut $2 trillion and because the market instability due to mass deportations. If you live on a fixed income this doesn’t sound palatable.

This isn't happening

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Anonymous wrote:My DIL is 8 weeks pregnant in Iowa. It’s too late for her to make any decision to continue the pregnancy if anything goes wrong. Iowa has a 6 week abortion ban. You can bet most women here are livid.

Congrats on your new grandchild!

Uh, there's a saying, don't count your chickens. I hope her DIL's pregnancy goes well. But it's presumptuous to assume. And those potential tragic outcomes are a big reason why the pro-life movement is in trouble.

It’s quite creepy that democrats see every pregnancy, even their own grandchild, through the lens of a potential abortion. Like it’s the actual expected outcome.

It’s like the potential tragic outcomes are the focus of their being.

It is creepy that that is how you interpret the concern for the pregnant DIL.