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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.

I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

What do the Ten Commandments have to do with Jesus?

You’re not familiar with: In the beginning was the Word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

No, do tell us more and also what that has to do with public schools. Also what’s a graven image and why does it need to be banned?

Ask Martin Luther

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

What do the Ten Commandments have to do with Jesus?

You’re not familiar with: In the beginning was the Word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

No, do tell us more and also what that has to do with public schools. Also what’s a graven image and why does it need to be banned?

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

What do the Ten Commandments have to do with Jesus?

You’re not familiar with: In the beginning was the Word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.

Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

What do the Ten Commandments have to do with Jesus?

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

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If I were a teacher in Louisiana this is exactly what I’d put up in my classroom to conform to the law.

But in the meantime it’s just a bunch of whiny Republicans forcing their religion on everyone else against everything that the founders wanted for this country.

Yes especially as they are saying classrs have to have a PROTESTANT version of the 10 Commandments. Even though more Louisianans are Catholic. Hope at least some Catholics will rise up and complain about being run over by Protestants. Time for some sectarian warfare!!

They are the same 10 Commandments.

You are not well versed in Christianity, are you?

Catholic commandments aren’t taken from Exodus 20, thus are not biblical.

Whose bible are you talking about? Catholic bibles have more books in them than Protestant.

I'm here for the sectarian warfare and will delight when it blows up if Evangelicals are forced to accept Catholic texts and doctrine in classrooms.

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If I were a teacher in Louisiana this is exactly what I’d put up in my classroom to conform to the law.

But in the meantime it’s just a bunch of whiny Republicans forcing their religion on everyone else against everything that the founders wanted for this country.

Yes especially as they are saying classrs have to have a PROTESTANT version of the 10 Commandments. Even though more Louisianans are Catholic. Hope at least some Catholics will rise up and complain about being run over by Protestants. Time for some sectarian warfare!!

They are the same 10 Commandments.

Hahahaha. Talk to me about graven images.

Yes. If you asked 100 church going Catholics to define graven image, 100 would probably get it wrong.

I don't believe you. You have no proof. This is opinion.

Can you define a graven image?

Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

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If I were a teacher in Louisiana this is exactly what I’d put up in my classroom to conform to the law.

But in the meantime it’s just a bunch of whiny Republicans forcing their religion on everyone else against everything that the founders wanted for this country.

Yes especially as they are saying classrs have to have a PROTESTANT version of the 10 Commandments. Even though more Louisianans are Catholic. Hope at least some Catholics will rise up and complain about being run over by Protestants. Time for some sectarian warfare!!

They are the same 10 Commandments.

Nope.


Protestant 10 commandments, with wording mandated by Louisiana:

I AM the LORD thy God.
1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2 Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.
3 Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5 Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6 Thou shalt not kill.
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8 Thou shalt not steal.
9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."


Catholic Ten Commandments
1. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.


The Catholic tradition uses the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine. There's nothing in there about graven images.

Also what's with the weird pronoun? I thought republicans have a thing about messing with pronouns.

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Not to me. I don't recall there being any government mandates to put rainbow flags in classrooms the way you want to put the Ten Commandments in classrooms.

Plus, I would argue that the first 4 commandments like "shall have no other gods" and "no graven images" and "sabbath" have nothing whatsoever to do with actual morality.

The only ones that are bonafide moral tenets are "honor thy mother and father" "thou shalt not murder" "thou shalt not commit adultery" "thou shalt not steal" "thou shalt not bear false witness" and (to a lesser extent) "thou shalt not covet" and NONE of those are things that Judeochristian religion uniquely brought down from on high by Moses as they are broad moral tenets recognized by most people around the globe in most cases predating and independent of Judeochristian teachings.

Also haven’t been told a million times that elementary schools kids are too young to hear about sex in school? Why are we suddenly clamoring to explain adultery to them?

Nobody is forcing the teachers to actually teach anything. They just have to have the thing on their wall.

Kid raises hand. “Mrs. Teacher, what adultery?” When Mrs. Teacher says “you need to ask your parents,” two things happen. One, the Moms Of Liberty blow a gasket when Larla comes home and says “Mrs. Teacher says I should ask you what adultery is,” and two, every classroom has that kid who goes and looks it up in the dictionary, because the teacher is clearly uncomfortable and won’t answer the question (and I know this because I was 100% the kid who would have headed straight for the dictionary, and then read the definition to the class— and one of my kids was also that kid— which occasionally ended badly). Also, coveting your neighbors wife makes for an interesting discussion.

Meanwhile, Harry Potter is deemed unfit for the classroom library. Umm. Okay then.

AS USUAL the self-righteous but dim-witted Christian conservatives clearly never actually thought any of this through.

Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

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If I were a teacher in Louisiana this is exactly what I’d put up in my classroom to conform to the law.

But in the meantime it’s just a bunch of whiny Republicans forcing their religion on everyone else against everything that the founders wanted for this country.

Yes especially as they are saying classrs have to have a PROTESTANT version of the 10 Commandments. Even though more Louisianans are Catholic. Hope at least some Catholics will rise up and complain about being run over by Protestants. Time for some sectarian warfare!!

They are the same 10 Commandments.

Hahahaha. Talk to me about graven images.

Yes. If you asked 100 church going Catholics to define graven image, 100 would probably get it wrong.

I don't believe you. You have no proof. This is opinion.

I’m a Catholic was raise in a very strict, you will miss your state tennis match to attend d Church on a Holy Day of Obligation home— and who has had 6 of the 7 sacraments (almost died as an infant, got last rites; clearly not Holy Orders). We don’t do graven images. So that’s one vote against them. 99 more Catholics want to chime in.

Similar upbringing. We had statues all over the church. The crucifix is different only from a cross in that it has a little statue. Martin Luther famously took issue with the Catholic crucifix precisely because it has a graven image. That is, in fact, one of the key ways to identify a Catholic church vs a protestant one. So I'm another Catholic voting that we do allow graven images, and that we think Martin Luther took the text of the bible out of context. Catholics believe that you can have statues as an artistic representation, and that is okay. What the bible forbids is worshipping the statues, which was common in pagan times.

Also, coveting your neighbor’s wife makes for an interesting discussion.

Not to mention coveting your neighbor’s ass!