Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who advocated for the return to zero tolerance policies. I’m also a teacher. I agree the bad behaviors aren’t limited to ESOL students, especially newly arrived ESOL students. Their parents are trying to fly under the radar and aren’t afraid of imposing serious consequences at home for bad behavior.

I think a few newly arrived esol students here and there are ok, it's when you have a mass surge and all of the sudden you have to hire new teachers but wait.. there is a teacher shortage and so many teachers are leaving the profession. Eventually something has got to give.

I’m the PP who advocated for the return to zero tolerance policies. I’m also a teacher. I agree the bad behaviors aren’t limited to ESOL students, especially newly arrived ESOL students. Their parents are trying to fly under the radar and aren’t afraid of imposing serious consequences at home for bad behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:I rarely have any behavior issues with my ESOL students. Every few years we might have a student who has never heard the word "no" and that's always a challenge. But I teach 25-30+ ESOL students a year and their behavior is typical 5-6 yr old behavior.

Yup it's not the ESOL kids ruining my school. It's the entitled kids who tantrum any time they don't get their way.

+1, It’s not even really the wealthy kids. It’s just the kids with the entitled, bad attitudes that think that they can’t do anything wrong… And their parents agree with them.

YES!

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Anonymous wrote:I rarely have any behavior issues with my ESOL students. Every few years we might have a student who has never heard the word "no" and that's always a challenge. But I teach 25-30+ ESOL students a year and their behavior is typical 5-6 yr old behavior.

Yup it's not the ESOL kids ruining my school. It's the entitled kids who tantrum any time they don't get their way.

+1, It’s not even really the wealthy kids. It’s just the kids with the entitled, bad attitudes that think that they can’t do anything wrong… And their parents agree with them.

Anonymous wrote:I rarely have any behavior issues with my ESOL students. Every few years we might have a student who has never heard the word "no" and that's always a challenge. But I teach 25-30+ ESOL students a year and their behavior is typical 5-6 yr old behavior.

Yup it's not the ESOL kids ruining my school. It's the entitled kids who tantrum any time they don't get their way.

Anonymous wrote:I rarely have any behavior issues with my ESOL students. Every few years we might have a student who has never heard the word "no" and that's always a challenge. But I teach 25-30+ ESOL students a year and their behavior is typical 5-6 yr old behavior.

My newcomers are usually my best behaved students and some of my most involved parents. I had a family messaging me weekly about how their child’s English was coming along. Education is a privilege and not a right in most developing countries and many kids come here with inconsistent schooling. If you can’t pay or have a way to get your child to school then they don’t go. We will feed them and drive them to school and cater to their every academic need which is not the norm in every part of the world.

There are these uppity people at our school that really suck. They constantly complain and think that their kid is so great. He got suspended for doing something wrong and they complained about that as well and tried to get the principal fired. Their kid is an arrogant bully and they seem to condone that kind of behavior.

I rarely have any behavior issues with my ESOL students. Every few years we might have a student who has never heard the word "no" and that's always a challenge. But I teach 25-30+ ESOL students a year and their behavior is typical 5-6 yr old behavior.

But mostly those coming across illegally from the Southern Border.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone applying to work at Glasgow MS?

I didn’t think so. Hope it comes with hazard pay and a signing bonus.

Allow me to warn against working in this hellscape. I put my personal safety and security at risk repeatedly at this school.

Students roam the halls during class time, daily fights in school and on buses, filthy school and bathrooms with students breaking equipment daily, no accountability, no standards.

It's time to bring back zero tolerance policies for aggression and threats. The students doing that or roaming the halls should get sent home with a laptop to do Edmentum. Also, administrators need to be taking a more proactive role and that doesn't mean giving the kids chips and lollipops after they walk out of class or scream obscenities at a staff member.

Agree. It needs to be easier to remove kids from school, especially if they are not citizens. We have had many behavior kids from other countries and imo should be removed if they cannot behave appropriately.

I agree that the influx of migrating peoples coming across the border without a visa (trying to be PC and not get my post deleted ) is not good for our schools and teacher retention.

Being honest, those aren’t the kids whose misbehavior is making teaching hard. It is the kids with unlimited access to ipads and iPhones and watches at school who are really making things difficult.

I think the real answer is to ban devices until 15 for kids and parents. But no one is going to really do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone applying to work at Glasgow MS?

I didn’t think so. Hope it comes with hazard pay and a signing bonus.

Allow me to warn against working in this hellscape. I put my personal safety and security at risk repeatedly at this school.

Students roam the halls during class time, daily fights in school and on buses, filthy school and bathrooms with students breaking equipment daily, no accountability, no standards.

It's time to bring back zero tolerance policies for aggression and threats. The students doing that or roaming the halls should get sent home with a laptop to do Edmentum. Also, administrators need to be taking a more proactive role and that doesn't mean giving the kids chips and lollipops after they walk out of class or scream obscenities at a staff member.

Agree. It needs to be easier to remove kids from school, especially if they are not citizens. We have had many behavior kids from other countries and imo should be removed if they cannot behave appropriately.

I agree that the influx of migrating peoples coming across the border without a visa (trying to be PC and not get my post deleted ) is not good for our schools and teacher retention.

Not only that but also diplomat’s kids from countries across the Atlantic.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally love the younger teachers who don’t have children - they are able to put more hours in and plan more creative lessons and don’t have to run out the door when the kids leave.

None of the new teachers I know are like this. They’ve grown up with SEL and work life balance and they are the ones most likely to use lots of personal and sick days to achieve this. It’s people my age who fret about taking a day off.

Yup here too....but I won't lie these young ones are teaching us all something. Work life balance is important! Our jobs and these disrespectful parents won't care if we stay or leave....why should us older teachers care so much. Long gone are the "do it for the kids" days.

I see the same thing. The younger teachers often draw hard lines between work and home life. Many are of the opinion they are paid for certain hours, and they won’t let the job spill into evenings and weekends. If work doesn’t get done at work, then it doesn’t get done.

Frankly, they have a lot to teach the rest of us. We shouldn’t be giving up so much of our own lives to our schools.

I don’t see this at all. Example - all the teachers that came to an event held outside school hours were the new teachers at the school.

They don't have kids and outside responsibilities so they are able to do this.

Whoever mentioned the pay is absolutely right. I just finished my 12th year of teaching (I had another career first) and just found out that my college aged son qualified for a Pell Grant (he's going into his sophomore year in college). How in the world does the child of a parent with a career that requires a Master's degree qualify for a Pell Grant? This is how the Dept. of Education describes people who qualify for one. "Federal Pell Grants usually are awarded only to undergraduate students who display exceptional financial need." I am grateful for the grant but nobody with a FT job and a Master's degree should fall into this category. His college actually decreased the amount of the grant they gave him so it doesn't actually give us any more aid but that's another story.

That’s why I like the younger teachers. I also find they have better lesson plans. Pros and cons to each.

How do you know about their lesson plans?

You can tell what they are doing based on what the kids are bringing home, what projects they are doing, what they’re saying they do in class daily, and how the tests are (ie. Is there a study guide? Does the test or quiz match the objectives?). You can also glean valuable information from their interactive notebooks. Some years they literally have been empty (bad teacher) and others have been wonderful. Newsletters, emails, etc. it’s very obvious who the good teachers are and who the slackers are. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or some secret intuition to figure it out.

No, it isn’t always easy to tell. There were 2 4th grade teachers at my DD’s school. Initially, I wanted the “popular” one for her. This teacher had a wonderfully decorated room with flex seating and a reputation for weekly digests home, with pictures of class activities. It didn’t take me long to realize that was all window dressing. The lessons themselves, while fun for the kids, weren’t really instructive in nature. I slowly realized the other teacher, with the modest classroom and the reputation for being average, was actually doing more intentional work that moved the students along.

As a teacher, I usually catch things like this more quickly. I guess I was caught up in the gossip about the popular teacher, so I didn’t consider the quality of instruction.

Teacher here, and this is a bit scary (I understand that you realized differently in the end but the idea that parents may think this was is enlightening regardless). Some teachers, myself included, do not have the means to decorate a Pinterest style classroom. The buy-your-own supply culture has gotten a bit out of hand IMO. I was given a room with very basic furniture/materials, etc. and I could not afford to keep up with colleagues who had the means to spend freely to decorate and furnish their rooms.

In the same way, letters/newsletters. I had about 2-3 hours of planning a week. That time was spent on lesson planning, IEPs, meetings, emailing etc. I easily worked 10-12 hours daily to keep up with front-facing student tasks. Likewise, newsletters were on the back burner and I might have gotten something out quarterly. Scares me to think I may have been judged on my plain classroom and/or lack of fancy communications.

This is a perfect example of why teachers aren't lasting long - I assure you the Pinterest-style, fancy newsletter teacher life is not sustainable long term

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone applying to work at Glasgow MS?

I didn’t think so. Hope it comes with hazard pay and a signing bonus.

Allow me to warn against working in this hellscape. I put my personal safety and security at risk repeatedly at this school.

Students roam the halls during class time, daily fights in school and on buses, filthy school and bathrooms with students breaking equipment daily, no accountability, no standards.

It's time to bring back zero tolerance policies for aggression and threats. The students doing that or roaming the halls should get sent home with a laptop to do Edmentum. Also, administrators need to be taking a more proactive role and that doesn't mean giving the kids chips and lollipops after they walk out of class or scream obscenities at a staff member.

Agree. It needs to be easier to remove kids from school, especially if they are not citizens. We have had many behavior kids from other countries and imo should be removed if they cannot behave appropriately.

I agree that the influx of migrating peoples coming across the border without a visa (trying to be PC and not get my post deleted ) is not good for our schools and teacher retention.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone applying to work at Glasgow MS?

I didn’t think so. Hope it comes with hazard pay and a signing bonus.

Allow me to warn against working in this hellscape. I put my personal safety and security at risk repeatedly at this school.

Students roam the halls during class time, daily fights in school and on buses, filthy school and bathrooms with students breaking equipment daily, no accountability, no standards.

It's time to bring back zero tolerance policies for aggression and threats. The students doing that or roaming the halls should get sent home with a laptop to do Edmentum. Also, administrators need to be taking a more proactive role and that doesn't mean giving the kids chips and lollipops after they walk out of class or scream obscenities at a staff member.

Agree. It needs to be easier to remove kids from school, especially if they are not citizens. We have had many behavior kids from other countries and imo should be removed if they cannot behave appropriately.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone applying to work at Glasgow MS?

I didn’t think so. Hope it comes with hazard pay and a signing bonus.

Allow me to warn against working in this hellscape. I put my personal safety and security at risk repeatedly at this school.

Students roam the halls during class time, daily fights in school and on buses, filthy school and bathrooms with students breaking equipment daily, no accountability, no standards.

It's time to bring back zero tolerance policies for aggression and threats. The students doing that or roaming the halls should get sent home with a laptop to do Edmentum. Also, administrators need to be taking a more proactive role and that doesn't mean giving the kids chips and lollipops after they walk out of class or scream obscenities at a staff member.

Ahh yes to the office for atrocious behavior.... student leaves with lollipops.