I coached a NVYLL team for years and field space was not a problem. The real problem was the since NVYLL was all volunteer you ended up with dad coaches. The better coaches often had the more competitive kids and those kids tended to migrate to the club teams. This left dads with little to no lacrosse experience to coach which in turn insentivised other players migrate to club and pretty soon the rec teams ended up with inexperienced or unathletic players. When club players also played on rec teams (like Vienna and Dulles south) it created a lot of problems as kids who rarely showed up to rec practice were the best kids on the teams and ended up getting the majority of the playing time.

This is not specific to lax I saw the same dynamic in soccer and basketball. Volunteer organizations are dependent on quality personnel being willing to volunteer. When you have a commercial alternative it skims off many of the best people. There’s not really a good solution.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

So how much does field space cost per hour for you, turf vs grass, and where?

i didnt respond None ya, but i don’t really care to sumbit our field schedule to you. sits complicated and a big file.

You can easily google that or you can call PRCS and see what they offer for 501(c)(3)’s for the times you need and location and type of field you need to rent.

NP, these are the responses I expected. Vague assertions and then I can't tell you anything, top secret. You backed a guy that didn't understand that a singular point, turf field rates, is an issue. Not priority.

It's not complicated, even if you have it in a big file. But thanks for chiming in.

Not the PP but...

Again, you don't understand the process. You seem to think it is backwards - club gets the pick of fields first, then rec. DPR's charge low or no charge field use to their own rec programs use. Any charges is for accounting purposes. So even if they charged their own programs for field use, it is really just one hand moving money to the other. Come each season, DPR gives rec organizations priority when picking fields. Then what is left over is provided to outside organizations at higher rates.

There is a reason most lax clubs rent private school fields because they can get priority through paying more. They don't like using DPRs because they are in the back of the line.

If you don't believe me, do what the PP stated, just call or google. It isn't hard to find.

quote]THE. ONLY. PEOPLE. THAT. ARE. TALKING. ABOUT. PRIORITY. ARE. THOSE. THAT. ARE. NOT. FOLLOWING. THE. DISCUSSION.

If you are given priority to buy a $3 million dollar home, but cannot afford it, it does not matter that you had "priority".

Here is the simple math:
- 20 players × $165 - 175 = $3,300- 3500 in revenue

- 10- 11 weeks of practice 2x per week (on a half field to be split, no less)
- your share of 8 games

- that is expenses of 21-22.5x $175 per hour (10-11 + 4 x 1.5 hours):
or $3,675 - 3,937 expense for field time only

So you are in the hole from $4-600 before paying for:
- refs
- uniforms
- NVYLL or other
- equipment
- balls
- anything else

The point was that the proliferation of expensive club has priced out rec for good fields. The counties know they can fill fields with them, so they can set prices high. There is no such thing as free turf fields for everyone in rec. CYA et.al. may have had a good thing going (though that's ending for them), but parks and rec is charging.

Can they still get on for games? Yes. Practices rained out in the rainy season? Too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

So how much does field space cost per hour for you, turf vs grass, and where?

i didnt respond None ya, but i don’t really care to sumbit our field schedule to you. sits complicated and a big file.

You can easily google that or you can call PRCS and see what they offer for 501(c)(3)’s for the times you need and location and type of field you need to rent.

NP, these are the responses I expected. Vague assertions and then I can't tell you anything, top secret. You backed a guy that didn't understand that a singular point, turf field rates, is an issue. Not priority.

It's not complicated, even if you have it in a big file. But thanks for chiming in.

Not the PP but...

Again, you don't understand the process. You seem to think it is backwards - club gets the pick of fields first, then rec. DPR's charge low or no charge field use to their own rec programs use. Any charges is for accounting purposes. So even if they charged their own programs for field use, it is really just one hand moving money to the other. Come each season, DPR gives rec organizations priority when picking fields. Then what is left over is provided to outside organizations at higher rates.

There is a reason most lax clubs rent private school fields because they can get priority through paying more. They don't like using DPRs because they are in the back of the line.

If you don't believe me, do what the PP stated, just call or google. It isn't hard to find.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

So how much does field space cost per hour for you, turf vs grass, and where?

i didnt respond None ya, but i don’t really care to sumbit our field schedule to you. sits complicated and a big file.

You can easily google that or you can call PRCS and see what they offer for 501(c)(3)’s for the times you need and location and type of field you need to rent.

NP, these are the responses I expected. Vague assertions and then I can't tell you anything, top secret. You backed a guy that didn't understand that a singular point, turf field rates, is an issue. Not priority.

It's not complicated, even if you have it in a big file. But thanks for chiming in.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

So how much does field space cost per hour for you, turf vs grass, and where?

i didnt respond None ya, but i don’t really care to sumbit our field schedule to you. sits complicated and a big file.

You can easily google that or you can call PRCS and see what they offer for 501(c)(3)’s for the times you need and location and type of field you need to rent.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

So how much does field space cost per hour for you, turf vs grass, and where?

none of your business!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

So how much does field space cost per hour for you, turf vs grass, and where?

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Anonymous wrote:I coach HS lax and many of my D1-D3 lax players played Football but all did some fall lacrosse. If a kid can’t handle both he will never be able to handle the D1 level workload at the next level in either sport. Need to love it to excel

Thanks. I’m get what you’re saying but as a dad I would prefer an easier fall for my freshman. It’s not really about his love for lacrosse I just think that there needs to be some give in his schedule to accommodate the transition to hs. If he doesn’t need it I don’t see the harm in having it unless it affects the spring.

Maybe you have your answer in this post. You purposely? didn't give details about the school, coaches attitude, team situations that would give "advice" that you seek.
Maybe the varsity coach is not only amenable but pushes kids to do other sports, if they are able. Or maybe he's a singularly focused psycho.

Either way, your son is freshman and it's early. You'll get all manner of replies given how open ended. The best strategy is your and your son's gut.

Better to get good grades than play secondary sports.

Anonymous wrote:I coach HS lax and many of my D1-D3 lax players played Football but all did some fall lacrosse. If a kid can’t handle both he will never be able to handle the D1 level workload at the next level in either sport. Need to love it to excel

Thanks. I’m get what you’re saying but as a dad I would prefer an easier fall for my freshman. It’s not really about his love for lacrosse I just think that there needs to be some give in his schedule to accommodate the transition to hs. If he doesn’t need it I don’t see the harm in having it unless it affects the spring.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

This^^^ I do the schedule for our rec organization.

I coach HS lax and many of my D1-D3 lax players played Football but all did some fall lacrosse. If a kid can’t handle both he will never be able to handle the D1 level workload at the next level in either sport. Need to love it to excel

D1 athletes can do both. But IMO, skipping fall doesn’t impact whether you make varsity in spring.

Can we get back to the original question of whether skipping fall lacrosse in favor of a fall sport hurts a player’s chances to make varsity.

My answer is “a little”. Certain coaches keep tabs on fall partisipation but even if they don’t every team has at least one parent making sure the coach knows, particularly if it helps their son.

In a marginal situation this will disadvantage the skipper - however if the skipper is clearly better than his competitors it won’t matter.

I will say it’s tough to do well in tryouts if you haven’t touched a stick in six months

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a COVID impact. Lacrosse will rebound….

Maybe a factor, but the emphasis on club over local isn't only a lacrosse phenomenon. Additionally, the clubification of youth sports in general has also started an arms race for reserving fields, with deeper pocketed clubs (of all sports) pushing out rec and local teams.

The overall climate of youth sports is beyond the pale.

Except in NOVA county facilities give precedent to county/rec teams. Then travel teams get the remainder. So that isn’t true at all

Thanks, Cabell.
Maybe you misunderstood his post or don't know how supply and demand works.
Rec charges(d) $150-200 a year. Fields saw they can charge $175-250 an hour to clubs and rec can't afford that.

You can charge thousands and unless you're an idiot take home half even while doing that and $4-5000+ tournaments.

I understand it completely. The PP is just wrong.

You don’t know how field space is allocated. Again, when the county sends out county field space reservation. Time is given to rec teams 1st at no charge or extremely low rates. Then outside parties are give their choice at much higher rates.

Who told you they get extremely low rates? Would love to know. County charges $175 even if you're school-affiliated.

Seriously, who told you that?

What county in VA charges that much? Fairfax county is far less. I do think Montgomery County charges $175 and gives priority based on certain factors. It's probably a reason why there is no rec in MoCo to speak of.