Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You only find wine moms insulting … if you’re a wine mom.
No im a wine mom and I find it hilarious. I also think look at Taylor FINALLY having her adolescent angst come through trying to gain independence from her traps. You only find it insulting if you are a wine mom with no sense of humor.
Her adolescent angst has been coming through since she was 16. But now she is 34. Maybe time to move on from adolescent angst.
She knows that her fame has stunted her: she says in multiple of her songs she has never grown up.
“Sometimes growing up precocious means you never grow up at all”
“I never grew up, it’s getting so old”
In Miss Americana she says that people say fame means you freeze at the age you got famous and she thinks that might be true for her. She’s aware that she’s somewhat trapped in a path of irregular development; a lot of her more introspective songs are about how the cage of fame did that to her.
I don't think its just fame that has stunted her- I am convinced that she is neuro diverse- whether ADHD or something else. Her level of output/hyperfocus is super interesting and she's found a way to use it to her advantage. But also (and saying this as someone who really likes her), she seems a little emotionally immature and falls hard and fast (seems manic at times) while also having a super brilliant mind- a common sign of neuro diversity. I am not saying any of this in a negative way at all, her mind is something to be studied!
Agreed… I don’t think it’s negative or positive but it is part of genius. Her recent collator Aaron Dessner said in an interview that during the recording of the long pond sessions, that he, Taylor, and the rest of the musicians would be staying up till like three in the morning drinking. He’s like we drank a lot of wine. Then everyone went to bed and the next morning Taylor said she stayed up late and wrote like a bunch more stuff and he was just absolutely floored. He couldn’t believe she had the stamina to do that.
I think it is really rare.
Anonymous wrote:You can’t compare her level of fame with those artists, it’s entirely different. Then factor in that women Taylor’s age grew up with her, went through every stage she went through and wrote about at the same time , and how have daughters who love her. There is a completely different level of attachment with her because of that that almost no other artist can claim.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.
Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.
She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.
Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.
Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.
She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.
Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.
Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.
She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.
Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.
Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.
She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.
Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.
Exactly she is blah with glitter sparkles for the tweens. Alanis and the others also didn’t have social media to encourage fans to follow their every finger flick, so I guess blah is what works for the internet age.
Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like it's a psy op that this 34.5 year old woman remains this popular with this same blasé subject matter. This "new" material from a middle aged woman is so cringe, I'm sorry. How are people not tired of this recycled dating and breakup babble after 11 albums? It makes sense for teens and 20-something pop stars (see Olivia Rodrigo, age 21) to sing about dating and breakup subject matter, but at age 34.5 it is pure cringe.
You’re undermining your point with the weird “34 and a half” thing
I'm merely underscoring her literal age, which makes her far too old for this same arrested development dating and breakup babble. Yeah yeah it's making her a lot of money, so who cares. Okay, if it's just her being a shameless money grabber and trying to milk cash from her loyal fanatics, let's not pretend this cringy blasé material is so deep and profound. People are hyper-analyzing a 34.5 year old's dating life songs... come on.![]()
Agree with all of this. How many different relationships of hers has she referred to in her music as “a masterpiece,” something she’s “willing to die for” or “life would lose all its meaning” without? She’s 34 and every few months she’s torn up about another boy. Really? It is cringe. At this point, it’s like we’re on season 25 of Greys Anatomy.
Every few months? Her last serious relationship lasted 6 years!
And yet, her most recent album paints Marty Healy like a star crossed lover, and she’s been in another high profile relationship for the last 8-9 months or so.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.
Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.
It’s weird.
People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.
People love to be haters.
The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.
That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.
I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.
From the Washington post review:
Who care how you feel? You are a middle-aged man, you’re saying, This music is not for you. The first part is true. But I would argue that pop music is for everyone. You’re here, I’m here, I’m writing, you’re reading, we’re in this listening life together, and it’s probably just fine to wish that the most widely circulated music of our lifetimes might be more imaginative and less self-obsessed. We’re long overdue for a Swift album that feels even a little bit curious about the world she rules.
I think if Swift shifted her focus from her own emotional life to the world at large, everyone would hate it.
She spent much of high school performing and recording. She never went to college. She's travelled the world but only as a pop star. She's been famous, and rich, since she was a kid. She is now a billionaire.
What do you think she has to say about the world? Do people with such limited experience as regular people out in the world often have great insight into big issues of the world and other people? IME, no. Her self-obsession is likely the most accessible thing about her-- no matter how rich and rarified she gets, if she does some naval gazing about her own psyche, she can find something other people will relate to.
I do NOT want a Taylor Swift album about, like, climate change. I think she knows her lane and is smart to stay in it, even if it dies get boring if she's the only artist you ever listen to (something that would be true about almost anyone).
Okay, you can reply to the Post Critic if you want to! Some journalists/magazines didn’t put bylines because they received death threats after posting negative reviews with her last album.
She can’t write about climate change, without looking hypocritical. If she sings about heartbreak until she is 65, no one can stop her. But her fans and team have allow people to dislike it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange.
Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess.
She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak.
Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.
Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.
It’s weird.
People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.
People love to be haters.
The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.
That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.
I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.
From the Washington post review:
Who care how you feel? You are a middle-aged man, you’re saying, This music is not for you. The first part is true. But I would argue that pop music is for everyone. You’re here, I’m here, I’m writing, you’re reading, we’re in this listening life together, and it’s probably just fine to wish that the most widely circulated music of our lifetimes might be more imaginative and less self-obsessed. We’re long overdue for a Swift album that feels even a little bit curious about the world she rules.
I think if Swift shifted her focus from her own emotional life to the world at large, everyone would hate it.
She spent much of high school performing and recording. She never went to college. She's travelled the world but only as a pop star. She's been famous, and rich, since she was a kid. She is now a billionaire.
What do you think she has to say about the world? Do people with such limited experience as regular people out in the world often have great insight into big issues of the world and other people? IME, no. Her self-obsession is likely the most accessible thing about her-- no matter how rich and rarified she gets, if she does some naval gazing about her own psyche, she can find something other people will relate to.
I do NOT want a Taylor Swift album about, like, climate change. I think she knows her lane and is smart to stay in it, even if it dies get boring if she's the only artist you ever listen to (something that would be true about almost anyone).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.
I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So.Many.Words.
As always, I'm very impressed that she's able to write these complicated, interesting lyrics. But at the same time, it's such a word dump! I love TS but as another poster said, I feel she's really becoming overexposed. How many albums does she need to put out? And the constant revenge/pining theme isn't healthy for young girls to internalize.
I disagree. I’m 48 and only now getting in touch with my rage as a woman. I was taught to be a real people pleaser, always be glass half full, and I stuffed so much inside and I don’t think that’s healthy. Maybe it’s not healthy to go too far the other way, but I think her generation is trying to balance some of that and I appreciate it.
I mean, look at what is happening in our own country with women’s rights. I think it’s OK for girls to internalize some bad stuff, it’s not sunshine and roses.