Actually the polls are stabilizing and we're still eight months out from the election.

But keep drawing your false equivalencies that convince no one who isn't already in Trump's camp. Trump is bleeding support and he basically has no money.

Biden is 81 years old. Try to imagine being that age and reading traveling considering and negotiating daily. Do you have any idea how hard that job is for anyone? For a 50 yr old it would be a ton of stress. It's being the CEO of the country. Every single president has aged a decade if you look at their pictures after a couple years in this job, he is 81 years old. That any sane judgement suggests he is absolutely going to make it in one piece until 85 in this job is totally insane. I think he's a hell of a good guy but it's ridiculous some people think of him as a perfect candidate. He is just as bad as Trump because he's really not in control or will not be given more years in office. It's a travesty to have him run. You people who think Trump sucks should then be confident anyone should be able to beat Trump. Anyone - other than Biden. If you all feel that Trump is such a danger then find a candidate who sane people can rally behind to vote for because let me tell you, as someone who despises Trump, I'm scared of Biden equally. I would imagine most anyone with any decency should be able to beat either of these nightmares. Any candidate with a real brain guts and competent political record. The big question is why can't the Dems find someone? I guarantee you that the US will be in crisis no matter what next few years if either one of these fools gets into office again. There is no way that the US comes out unscathed in either administration and I don't believe Biden's is assuredly going to be a better time for Americans. Not with Kamala as his VP! She makes me want to gag every time I see her face. That he chose her tells me everything I need to know about him. I have zero confidence in him for another 4 years.

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That’s because Haley is Democrat Lite.

No, her politics is hard right.

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BIDEN/TRUMP -- A Biden/Trump general election, if that's the outcome of the primary season, would represent a battle of markedly unpopular candidates. Among all adults, Biden's approval rating is just 33% in this poll, worse than Trump's low as president (36%) and the lowest since George W. Bush from 2006-2008. Fifty-eight percent disapprove of Biden's work.

Among groups, just 31% of women now approve of Biden's work in office, a new low (as do 34% of men). He won 57% of women in 2020.

He's at 28% approval among independents, a customary swing voter group; a low of 32% among moderates; and a low of 41% among college graduates, 10 points off his career average in that group.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tops-opponents-biden-hits-new-low-approval/story?id=106335244

Oh my God! This is horrible.

Biden only has a chance in 2024 because his likely opponent is a very weak, awful candidate. Trump only has a chance in 2024 because his likely opponent is a very weak, awful candidate. The 2024 election is shaping up to be the most disgusting spectacle in the history of the world. Seriously, how did we get into such a mess?

Extremists on bith sides.

The extremists have loud squeaky voices and get more attention than they deserve. Their true influence is marginal. Once we get rid of Trump and Biden, a real president can restore some sense of normalcy in Federal Government.

How has Biden not been a normal president?

He is more "normal' than Trump but that bar is set very low and at the end of the day if Biden was ever worthy of the POTUS position, it was 20 to 30 years ago. He is at this point a liability for the country. Is he a better option than Trump? Yes, but that is saying very little.

What did he or did not do?

Anonymous wrote:The SOTU bump usually takes a couple of weeks

Sure it does.

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Coping, eh. Because there is no statistically meaningful bump.

Not surprising as SOTU was specifically to Biden's base and no one else.

The SOTU bump usually takes a couple of weeks

Anonymous wrote:Since we’re supposed to be talking about polling in this thread:

Yahoo/ YouGov survey of 1482 adults in days following SOTU showed no improvement in perceptions of Biden.

Before the speech, 40% approval and 55% disapproval for Biden performance. After SOTU, 39% approval and 55% disapproval.

Would you guys mind linking the poll you’re talking about? It would be helpful.

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What has trump done to attract a single voter outside of his MAGA base? He does not act like a person that wants to win this election so he will lose

You can say the same about Mr. Joe Biden, too. His SOTU was directly aimed to his base while badmouthing the rest of the country who didn't support him. That's why his SOTU had the lowest polling of any SOTU in history.

So what are you left with? The irony is that the polls show Turnip improving his vote share among most demographics, so as it stands he has attracted new voters while Biden is losing voters. Funny, isn't it?

Is Biden withholding IRA funds from Red States?
Is Biden doing anything from a policy standpoint that benefits one class of Americans over another?

Because that is what Trump did.

Biden is being a President for all Americans. If you took offense at his SOTU speech, then you need to take a look in the mirror and in your heart about what you belief about this country.

What exactly did Biden say in the speech that offended you?

Since we’re supposed to be talking about polling in this thread:

Yahoo/ YouGov survey of 1482 adults in days following SOTU showed no improvement in perceptions of Biden.

Before the speech, 40% approval and 55% disapproval for Biden performance. After SOTU, 39% approval and 55% disapproval.

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What has trump done to attract a single voter outside of his MAGA base? He does not act like a person that wants to win this election so he will lose

You can say the same about Mr. Joe Biden, too. His SOTU was directly aimed to his base while badmouthing the rest of the country who didn't support him. That's why his SOTU had the lowest polling of any SOTU in history.

So what are you left with? The irony is that the polls show Turnip improving his vote share among most demographics, so as it stands he has attracted new voters while Biden is losing voters. Funny, isn't it?

Huh? Abortion rights has wide appeal. Border security has wide appeal. Support for Ukraine has wide appeal, etc. His positions are mainstream popular positions...not extreme right like trump or extreme left.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a false sense of security that Biden will win. Theyre not working hard enough to seal the deal in Nov. POC don't want to vote for him and I get that and also we are so screwed under Trump who will, against all my wishes for this place, win.

No one has a false sense of security. Democrats are scared out of our minds. Why in the world would you think anyone feels anything other than terror and dread?

The SOTU gave us some comfort. The Hur disaster was some more. But no, you will not find a Dem around who feels like this is easy breezy, the whole thing's locked up. First of all, we were there for 2016 - and second of all, we're just not that type of people. And third of all, Jesus almighty the stakes are sky high. This isn't something where if we don't like the guy elected, well, so what we'll get through it - this is something where the guy we're opposing is essentially an actual demon.

Really? Turnip serves four years, if he wins. Another election happens in 2028. Life goes on.

Some (many) of you need to get a grip with reality.

Funny that some of you think SOTU was great when he was pumped full of drugs to be alert and read from a teleprompter but ignore his disastrous public outings in the swing states in the following days. He's an 81 year old man with all the cognitive decline of a rapidly aging man. I have more respect for the few of you who are genuinely honest about it and admit they're voting for the party and policy advisors and it doesn't matter that Biden is heading for the final sunset. At least that's honest. Just 'fess up and be honest.

The man literally tried to steal the 2020 election by 1) creating a false elector scheme and 2) strong arming states to falsify votes and 3) fomenting an insurrection to force a delay in counting the Electoral College votes in an attempt to push the decision ultimately to the GOP controlled House.

What makes you think there is any respect for "law" such that a Trump term would end at noon on January 20, 2029?

You do know that among the 91 (or is it 85 now) charges against him, not a single one is for treason or insurrection? None of the J6 protesters, ahem, rioters, ahem idiots, were charged with insurrection or treason. Whatever. Believe what you want to believe. You're a danged fool if you think Turnip can take over the country in 2028 and refuse to leave office. For a while I didn't know who is stupider, people like you or the morons on J6, but now I definitely know.

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What has trump done to attract a single voter outside of his MAGA base? He does not act like a person that wants to win this election so he will lose

You can say the same about Mr. Joe Biden, too. His SOTU was directly aimed to his base while badmouthing the rest of the country who didn't support him. That's why his SOTU had the lowest polling of any SOTU in history.

So what are you left with? The irony is that the polls show Turnip improving his vote share among most demographics, so as it stands he has attracted new voters while Biden is losing voters. Funny, isn't it?

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What has trump done to attract a single voter outside of his MAGA base? He does not act like a person that wants to win this election so he will lose

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a false sense of security that Biden will win. Theyre not working hard enough to seal the deal in Nov. POC don't want to vote for him and I get that and also we are so screwed under Trump who will, against all my wishes for this place, win.

No one has a false sense of security. Democrats are scared out of our minds. Why in the world would you think anyone feels anything other than terror and dread?

The SOTU gave us some comfort. The Hur disaster was some more. But no, you will not find a Dem around who feels like this is easy breezy, the whole thing's locked up. First of all, we were there for 2016 - and second of all, we're just not that type of people. And third of all, Jesus almighty the stakes are sky high. This isn't something where if we don't like the guy elected, well, so what we'll get through it - this is something where the guy we're opposing is essentially an actual demon.

PP here. I think democrat leadership feels a false sense of security. Not necessarily voters. They're so confident in their alzheimers patient of a president that they won't do the right thing and pick anyone, literally anyone else, to run. I think they think Joe looks stronger and more likeable than he actually does becuz they aren't listening to us!

Nobody including leadership is feeling confident. I think what you see is that people aren't feeling nihilistic or hopeless. That is different from feeling confident.

Biden is a good candidate. He's a good president. He beat Trump before - and there is no hypothetical Dem superstar coming to save you. Dem leadership doesn't have the power to simply replace Biden, either, even if there were some obvious replacement.

What "us" do you mean here, who aren't being listened to?

Those of us that are non white and extremely disappointed in the genocide he's funding.