Landlords have little ability to control this situation:
(1) it is illegal to refuse to accept voucher tenants and there are plenty of non-profit legal advocates more than happy to try to catch and sue landlords who try to do so.
(2) it is extremely difficult in DC to evict a tenant on behavioral issues---it can take years. It is easier (marginally) to evict for non-payment of rent, but voucher tenants are getting their rents paid.

Part of the problem is the extremely one-sided tenant friendliness of DC landlord/tenant laws. Financially secure educated tenants on Connecticut Avenue---many of them more than happy to vote for progressives like Frumin---are now seeing firsthand the problems such one-sided laws create.

I'm so sorry for your situation. I used to live in one of those buildings. It makes me sad to see what has become of them.

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Anonymous wrote:My son moved back to the DMV this year and looked at some formerly nice apartment buildings along Connecticut. He could quickly see that several buildings were overrun with voucher holders, many with behavioral issues. He now lives in Bethesda. He loved growing up in DC but will settle in Maryland. DC is losing its tax base because of this misguided voucher program and unwillingness to address criminal and deviant behavior.

DC has long survived without your precious Jimmy. It will be fine. Some of us a real city people and others are not. Voucher holders are entitled to housing as a basic human right. If the city had not closed down the St. Elizabeth hospital as a result of Reagan economics and the oppressive policies of the American government against native Indigenous peoples and the African American community.

If your family had to deal with generational trauma, you would go crazy.

No one should be begrudging voucher people the right to housing.

I’m not mad about housing people. I am mad that we are a two job household living in a 2 bedroom apartment that has literally turned into section 8 housing. People are living rent free with no jobs and no need to get a job in the same building tearing it up and causing problems.

I’d be better off quitting my job and getting a voucher myself. And that’s no joke.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son moved back to the DMV this year and looked at some formerly nice apartment buildings along Connecticut. He could quickly see that several buildings were overrun with voucher holders, many with behavioral issues. He now lives in Bethesda. He loved growing up in DC but will settle in Maryland. DC is losing its tax base because of this misguided voucher program and unwillingness to address criminal and deviant behavior.

DC has long survived without your precious Jimmy. It will be fine. Some of us a real city people and others are not. Voucher holders are entitled to housing as a basic human right. If the city had not closed down the St. Elizabeth hospital as a result of Reagan economics and the oppressive policies of the American government against native Indigenous peoples and the African American community.

If your family had to deal with generational trauma, you would go crazy.

No one should be begrudging voucher people the right to housing.

I don’t live in the neighborhood and have no dog in this fight, but how exactly are you going to continue paying for all the nice city things once the tax base (effortlessly) moves to another jurisdiction within a mile or two where they don’t encounter the same problems?

A family’s generational trauma doesn’t entitle them to participate in criminal behavior at the expense of residents who pay their own rent.

Drug dealing is under the table, BTW. I bet some of those folks make good money.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. And many in AU Park, Forest Hills and SV support all of the above and "like the sound of" restorative justice. Removing the penalty of losing license for not paying traffic fines was another issue where Cheh raised concerns but voted for it anyway, and we've seen more mayhem on the streets.

This is it. A lot of people in these areas want to appear "with it," and will follow wherever the activists tell them to go. Some neighbors will quietly tell you they disagree with the craziness, but few have the courage to risk the wrath of the radicals. Look how often people get accused of being racist on here just for saying they want less crime (something polls show is the top issue for D.C. residents).

That's how bullies are being handled - with meek acquiescence. I wouldn't be surprised if more people are willing to move out of the area than to stand up for it.

People are only willing to speak up about what's right when these failures really hit home. But by the time most people are willing to speak up, it's going to take years to dig ourselves out of this hole and get back to where things were a decade ago.

ANC 3F covers the area where the shooting happened. They are meeting on Tuesday, 9/19 at 7pm. Don't see crime mentioned on agenda on ND but MPD does attend.

https://www.anc3f.com/about
Meeting link: https://bit.ly/anc3fmeet

Hope people actually attend this.

Anonymous wrote:I see a lot more MPD and Metro police out and around Connecticut Ave yesterday and today. Looks like the many calls and complaints are finally getting the attention they deserve - let’s hope!

Did you see CM Frumin out and about today? LOL, of course not.

Anonymous wrote:I see a lot more MPD and Metro police out and around Connecticut Ave yesterday and today. Looks like the many calls and complaints are finally getting the attention they deserve - let’s hope!

Too bad people had to get shot and robbed and beaten before they stepped up….

I see a lot more MPD and Metro police out and around Connecticut Ave yesterday and today. Looks like the many calls and complaints are finally getting the attention they deserve - let’s hope!

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Anonymous wrote:With the attempted armed carjacking at Exxon in Chevy Chase earlier this morning, I am not sure what to tell my teen drivers if they need to stop for gas. Daylight on a major road used to be pretty safe. Now, can't even watch for sketchy people, they pull up in a luxury Volvo stolen in VA. All of this crime feels really overwhelming and random and not easily avoided. Had planned to retire in W3.

Can you post a link to this please?

Mon, Sep 18 at 8:19 AM

This is an important message from the District of Columbia AlertDC system.

Alert: Attempt Carjacking Investigation in the 5500 block of Connecticut ave NW. Lookout for gray Volvo S60 VA tag TNH3611 B/F driver and 3B/M passengers.
DO NOT TAKE ACTION CALL 911 W/ EVENT #120230528978
Sent to 2nd District (PSA 201-208) Alert DC
Sent by MPD Cad # 6123

Elsewhere it was clarified there was a weapon. Happened between 7am and 8am, the alerts are slightly delayed. There would have been people around so close to Starbucks, Safeway, etc but these things happen so quickly.

Anonymous wrote:My son moved back to the DMV this year and looked at some formerly nice apartment buildings along Connecticut. He could quickly see that several buildings were overrun with voucher holders, many with behavioral issues. He now lives in Bethesda. He loved growing up in DC but will settle in Maryland. DC is losing its tax base because of this misguided voucher program and unwillingness to address criminal and deviant behavior.

DC has long survived without your precious Jimmy. It will be fine. Some of us a real city people and others are not. Voucher holders are entitled to housing as a basic human right. If the city had not closed down the St. Elizabeth hospital as a result of Reagan economics and the oppressive policies of the American government against native Indigenous peoples and the African American community.

If your family had to deal with generational trauma, you would go crazy.

No one should be begrudging voucher people the right to housing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the attempted armed carjacking at Exxon in Chevy Chase earlier this morning, I am not sure what to tell my teen drivers if they need to stop for gas. Daylight on a major road used to be pretty safe. Now, can't even watch for sketchy people, they pull up in a luxury Volvo stolen in VA. All of this crime feels really overwhelming and random and not easily avoided. Had planned to retire in W3.

Can you post a link to this please?

https://nextdoor.com/p/_tj8bJDcMB_-?utm_source=share&extras=NDE3MDE5MDk%3D

Thank you!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the attempted armed carjacking at Exxon in Chevy Chase earlier this morning, I am not sure what to tell my teen drivers if they need to stop for gas. Daylight on a major road used to be pretty safe. Now, can't even watch for sketchy people, they pull up in a luxury Volvo stolen in VA. All of this crime feels really overwhelming and random and not easily avoided. Had planned to retire in W3.

Can you post a link to this please?

https://nextdoor.com/p/_tj8bJDcMB_-?utm_source=share&extras=NDE3MDE5MDk%3D

For everyone who wants to make a change on this, and work toward making our community safer, I propose that in addition to chatter here we need to 1) engage in the process (see this tweet from Brooke Pinto https://twitter.com/CMBrookePinto/status/1703726238311891179/photo/2 - I haven't read all of the legislation, but if there are gaps we need to lobby Frumin and even Pinto to include our issues) and 2) send our concerns to local papers. I plan to submit my letter to Frumin in some form to the WaPo among others.

Its clear we can't rely only on our representatives with current engagement - we need to use all the tools in our toolbox to get thisdone. I don't see MoCo as much safer at least from a raising a child in public schools standpoint (See the recent violence at various games etc) so at least for the time being I plan to stay put and aggressively engage in the process here. I believe in our little hamlet, and I think we can get back to a good place - but it will not be easy.

Anonymous wrote:With the attempted armed carjacking at Exxon in Chevy Chase earlier this morning, I am not sure what to tell my teen drivers if they need to stop for gas. Daylight on a major road used to be pretty safe. Now, can't even watch for sketchy people, they pull up in a luxury Volvo stolen in VA. All of this crime feels really overwhelming and random and not easily avoided. Had planned to retire in W3.

Can you post a link to this please?

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Anonymous wrote:The more we discuss this, the more it seems absolutely bonkers to house the chronically homeless (by definition, having some sort of severe mental and/or addiction) in private buildings using above market-rate vouchers. Like, calculated to lead to failure on multiple levela. Private *market-rate* voucher solutions make sense for people who just have an affordability problem. But turning private buildings into unstaffed low barriee homeless shelters is nuttttttssss.

Agree. HF frames the issue as housing and as having requirements for entry, compelled participation in services, requiring sobriety, all the things shelters traditionally did.

If the issue is framed as substance abuse and/or MI, then the solution is nuts. But, those things cost a lot of money to address and there is no huge pot of funds for developers to kick back from, so...

To be clear, I actually think Housing First is the solution. I don’t think you have to coerce people into treatment. But the housing should be public and fully staffed and only for the chronic homeless. Once stabilized they could possibly step up.

That model is usually referred to as shelter first, housing later. HF explicitly eliminated any sort of stepping up, passing through stages, etc. If given the option, people prefer private housing in W3 over public housing, which, like shelters, comes with rules.

I don’t think the Housing First model requires private vouchers. People are lumping those things together. Permanent Supportive Housing *should* be in dedicated buildings staffed 24/7 by the appropriate security and services.