Anonymous
06/29/2023 18:07
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A small step in the correct direction.
I guess if you don’t value diversity.
We can have all the diversity we want. Keep encouraging kids to study, stay in school, go to available after school tutoring programs, do homework at night, etc. Those with smarts and determination can do it.
Knew I could count on you for a vapid response, devoid of any historical knowledge. Good job stepping up to the plate.
Nothing vapid about hard work. Those of us who work with kids who live in areas with few resources know what it takes to get ahead and succeed. We encourage and help kids instead of telling them to sit back and wait.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 18:04
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.
If the admission system is race-blind and based on demonstrated academic achievement, I will “start feeling” (as you put it) the system is finally fair.
If my white child is not admitted, I will assume other students simply demonstrated superior academic performance. And that would be fair. Fine with it.
The admission system is most certainly not going to be based on academic merit. Never had been and never will be.
Admission decisions should not be based solely on academic merit. I have no doubt that HYP receives enough applicants who score 100% on SAT to fill the entire first class. But academic merit is not the only requirement for a successful life. In the sports arena, there are dozens, if not more, of examples with hugely natural talent who never lived up to their potential.
SAT measures how well you take a standardized test. Nothing more.
Do you feel the same way about the MCAT and LSAT?
Anonymous
06/29/2023 18:01
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A small step in the correct direction.
I guess if you don’t value diversity.
We can have all the diversity we want. Keep encouraging kids to study, stay in school, go to available after school tutoring programs, do homework at night, etc. Those with smarts and determination can do it.
Knew I could count on you for a vapid response, devoid of any historical knowledge. Good job stepping up to the plate.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 18:01
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.
If the admission system is race-blind and based on demonstrated academic achievement, I will “start feeling” (as you put it) the system is finally fair.
If my white child is not admitted, I will assume other students simply demonstrated superior academic performance. And that would be fair. Fine with it.
The admission system is most certainly not going to be based on academic merit. Never had been and never will be.
Admission decisions should not be based solely on academic merit. I have no doubt that HYP receives enough applicants who score 100% on SAT to fill the entire first class. But academic merit is not the only requirement for a successful life. In the sports arena, there are dozens, if not more, of examples with hugely natural talent who never lived up to their potential.
SAT measures how well you take a standardized test. Nothing more.
Uh, not quite. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963451/
"An established finding bears repeating: the SAT predicts college achievement, and a combination of SAT scores and high school grades offer the best prediction of student success. In the most recent validity sample of nearly a quarter million students, SAT scores and high school GPA combined offered the best predictor of first year GPA for college students. Including SAT scores in regression analyses yielded a roughly 15% increase in predictive power above using high school grades alone."
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think top schools are concerned about their students success. It’s a given they will succeed just by merit of being selected and all the academic support the schools offer.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:59
Subject: Re:SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:
It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.
We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.
Don't you get it? You're arguement is SOCIOECONOMIC, not racial. The majority opinion agrees with you.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:59
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A small step in the correct direction.
I guess if you don’t value diversity.
We can have all the diversity we want. Keep encouraging kids to study, stay in school, go to available after school tutoring programs, do homework at night, etc. Those with smarts and determination can do it.
^Also, PP doesn’t see color.
🙄🙄
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:58
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Being a white male, I’ve always felt slighted because of it.
Do you feel slighted that there are now more women than men in college? How about if there are increasing numbers of women in your workplace in comparable roles to you (assuming that's actually happening)?
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:58
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
The college admissions process should be totally blind.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:57
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A small step in the correct direction.
I guess if you don’t value diversity.
We can have all the diversity we want. Keep encouraging kids to study, stay in school, go to available after school tutoring programs, do homework at night, etc. Those with smarts and determination can do it.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:57
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Being a white male, I’ve always felt slighted because of it.
Poor white males over-represented in most institutions. You are overly-represented in Congress. People trust you to make decisions about your own body.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:55
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Being a white male, I’ve always felt slighted because of it.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:53
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
There should have been a time limit to affirmative action. Another one of Johnson’s mistakes
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:52
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I think that Asians have the right to be angry- when the bar is set so much higher than for other people, even whites.
You are the ones who created this “bar” to begin with.
Students with Bs used to get into Harvard in the 90s and everything was chill.
But Asian immigrants figured that they can game the system by packaging kids - A student + test prep + an instrument + math team + science Olympiad = Ivy League..
And now so many of you that no one stands out any more and schools don’t want another packaged kid.
They want genuine kids who have passions, not because they were pushed by their parents.
I just want to point out, it was all created by YOU. This is a product of YOU. You are to blame yourself for the crap you’re creating in your society.
Amen. They had a hissy fit that their previous child didn’t get into his first choice of school. Newsflash many kids of all races who have the qualifications don’t get accepted to Harvard. The entitlement is breathtaking but not surprising.
Anonymous
06/29/2023 17:51
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.
If the admission system is race-blind and based on demonstrated academic achievement, I will “start feeling” (as you put it) the system is finally fair.
If my white child is not admitted, I will assume other students simply demonstrated superior academic performance. And that would be fair. Fine with it.
The admission system is most certainly not going to be based on academic merit. Never had been and never will be.
Admission decisions should not be based solely on academic merit. I have no doubt that HYP receives enough applicants who score 100% on SAT to fill the entire first class. But academic merit is not the only requirement for a successful life. In the sports arena, there are dozens, if not more, of examples with hugely natural talent who never lived up to their potential.
SAT measures how well you take a standardized test. Nothing more.
Uh, not quite. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963451/
"An established finding bears repeating: the SAT predicts college achievement, and a combination of SAT scores and high school grades offer the best prediction of student success. In the most recent validity sample of nearly a quarter million students, SAT scores and high school GPA combined offered the best predictor of first year GPA for college students. Including SAT scores in regression analyses yielded a roughly 15% increase in predictive power above using high school grades alone."
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