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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Could you translate that into rational language?

Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?

Still not rational.

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Anonymous wrote:Could Trump request a bench trial and hope his judge buddy throws it out or gums up the works?

Ken White raised that idea on this week's Serious Trouble - he thinks that it's possible

The judge may just be that much of a corrupt diehard, but she must realize that this trial will be an American history event that will be discussed for the next 200 years (assuming the world doesn't implode). She will unnecessarily tie herself to that by doing so. The smart thing for her to do is get out of this altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

He HAD the power, and didn't, yet kept the documents, hid the documents, copied the documents and lied about the documents. He even asked his attorneys to deal with the documents so his hands would be cleaner.

And kept them in boxes in a bathroom! With a sh***y shower curtain!

Anonymous wrote:Could Trump request a bench trial and hope his judge buddy throws it out or gums up the works?

Ken White raised that idea on this week's Serious Trouble - he thinks that it's possible

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Could you translate that into rational language?

Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?

No. Like Pence they did not knowingly have classified documents. They cooperated fully when asked and the documents were secured. And had Trump done that, he would not be indicted.

+1. And let’s not forget that both it was Biden and Pence who searched their own premise, found documents and immediately alerted the government that they had them and turned them back. In the case or Trump, it was the Archives that started looking for rhe docs apparently and tried to get them back for over a year. Trump made all possible attempts at keeping them: did not cooperate, had his attorney state there were no more documents, moved the docs around to avoid the searches. He really wanted to keep them so it would be interesting to find out why.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama's CIA director, David Petraeus, (who was never president with declassification authority) stole classified documents and gave them to his mistress in exchange for sex for years

He was allowed to plead to a misdemeanor and got probation

All this matters.

Trump could have turned over these documents and he wouldn't have been charged with anything. About this.

All this matters.

A bunch of "Lock her up" types are now digging around for every example of lenient prosecution they can find, but Trump opined on such matters extensively during his presidency, and his positions have been included in the indictment. How much time he does is debatable, but there is no way he can avoid a felony conviction.

Again, those matter. Reduced to a misdemeanor for someone who literally stole classified documents and used them for prostitution purposes. Please justify.

He took a plea deal? Which Trump will never do?

Why did he even get such a sweet plea deal. What did his girl do with the documents? Probably sold them for nefarious purposes. If you want a definition of treason, that is it. But he worked for Obama so give him a plea

What Trump does and does not do is not relevant. What’s relevant is equal application of law. Here we have a man that literally sold classified documents for sex and gets off lightly, while Trump allegedly said “look at these secret documents” (Lordy there are tapes ) and that’s the most horrid thing you’ve ever heard.

Just Google it, it isn’t a mystery. Paula Broadwell was a military intelligence officer who was having an affair with David Petraeus while she was writing a book about him. He shared classified documents with her for the book. They got busted and negotiated plea bargains, but it ended their careers and their ability to get rich and famous off the ex-military gravy train of consulting and punditry.

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Could you translate that into rational language?

Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?

No. Like Pence they did not knowingly have classified documents. They cooperated fully when asked and the documents were secured. And had Trump done that, he would not be indicted.

+1

ALL of the actions described in the indictment occurred AFTER the request for the documents in 2021. If he had just returned them when requested, nothing in this 27 count indictment would exist.

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

He HAD the power, and didn't, yet kept the documents, hid the documents, copied the documents and lied about the documents. He even asked his attorneys to deal with the documents so his hands would be cleaner.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama's CIA director, David Petraeus, (who was never president with declassification authority) stole classified documents and gave them to his mistress in exchange for sex for years

He was allowed to plead to a misdemeanor and got probation

All this matters.

Trump could have turned over these documents and he wouldn't have been charged with anything. About this.

All this matters.

A bunch of "Lock her up" types are now digging around for every example of lenient prosecution they can find, but Trump opined on such matters extensively during his presidency, and his positions have been included in the indictment. How much time he does is debatable, but there is no way he can avoid a felony conviction.

Again, those matter. Reduced to a misdemeanor for someone who literally stole classified documents and used them for prostitution purposes. Please justify.

He took a plea deal? Which Trump will never do?

Why did he even get such a sweet plea deal. What did his girl do with the documents? Probably sold them for nefarious purposes. If you want a definition of treason, that is it. But he worked for Obama so give him a plea

What Trump does and does not do is not relevant. What’s relevant is equal application of law. Here we have a man that literally sold classified documents for sex and gets off lightly, while Trump allegedly said “look at these secret documents” (Lordy there are tapes ) and that’s the most horrid thing you’ve ever heard.

Trump was planing on selling the documents. It is disgusting you are defending him. You republicans are not serious people.

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Trump had the power to follow a very well-defined process to declassify. I'm not sure whether you could that needing permission or not.

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Could you translate that into rational language?

Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?

No. Like Pence they did not knowingly have classified documents. They cooperated fully when asked and the documents were secured. And had Trump done that, he would not be indicted.

If you only read one explainer, read this. Just the best!

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Could you translate that into rational language?

Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump can cut a deal. All he needs to do is apologize and admit that he hid classified documents from his lawyers and the FBI and lied about it repeatedly and showed a few classified documents to people he wanted to impress and promise to obey all the laws from now on. Surely he can do that, right?

I don’t think you can plea deal yourself out of Espionage Act charges.

Should selling classified documents for sex be considered espionage?

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Anonymous wrote:Obama's CIA director, David Petraeus, (who was never president with declassification authority) stole classified documents and gave them to his mistress in exchange for sex for years

He was allowed to plead to a misdemeanor and got probation

All this matters.

Trump could have turned over these documents and he wouldn't have been charged with anything. About this.

All this matters.

A bunch of "Lock her up" types are now digging around for every example of lenient prosecution they can find, but Trump opined on such matters extensively during his presidency, and his positions have been included in the indictment. How much time he does is debatable, but there is no way he can avoid a felony conviction.

Again, those matter. Reduced to a misdemeanor for someone who literally stole classified documents and used them for prostitution purposes. Please justify.

He took a plea deal? Which Trump will never do?

Why did he even get such a sweet plea deal. What did his girl do with the documents? Probably sold them for nefarious purposes. If you want a definition of treason, that is it. But he worked for Obama so give him a plea

What Trump does and does not do is not relevant. What’s relevant is equal application of law. Here we have a man that literally sold classified documents for sex and gets off lightly, while Trump allegedly said “look at these secret documents” (Lordy there are tapes ) and that’s the most horrid thing you’ve ever heard.