Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:36
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.
With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?
When you say, "Biden losing in the polls" are you referring to the WSJ poll that was trotted out over the weekend? If so...
Not really an independent poll, now, is it?
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:33
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
He is adamantly and unabashedly pro-life. He also prioritized Maryland spending to benefit hist properties and those of his cronies. Vote accordingly.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:31
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.
You keep thinking that most voters will say hell no, but you’re thinking as someone firmly in the Biden camp. The only thing I have less desire for than another 4 years of Biden is Trump part 2. The fact that your hook to independents is hold your nose and vote Biden is just really not persuasive.
IMO it is very persuasive. I am not young and I would absolutely say the majority of elections involve voting against a candidate rather than being thrilled with the democratic choice. That is just the way it is.
There are exceptions like Obama. Boy do we all miss him. And for me Clinton because I am raising some girls and I was excited to have them witness our first woman leader. Ugggg. Imagine is she would have won, where this country could be now.
But on we go. Trump is a such a huge repellent to many millions and rightly so. He is so bad he drives voter turnout to come out and defeat him which is unusual.
+1
By Election Day 2024, Trump will say many many crazy and extreme things that will bring back all the bad memories and Biden will win pretty easily.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:30
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
When people tell you who they are, believe them.
Hogan has been very loud about his “pro life” stance. He’s never hid it. He passed legislation in Maryland that hampered medical schools training OBGYN students in necessary life saving care. It’s what he believes.
Or it isn’t and he’s just been happy to sacrifice women’s rights for his own political ambitions.
He knew Trump was awful, said as much, but claims he wrote in Ronald Regan. So he threw away his vote, because he didn’t have the courage of his convictions.
Or he is a liar who lied and voted for Biden.
Either way he sucks.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:30
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.
With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?
46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.
From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.
The Dems did not nominate Bernie and they won. They understand the compromise required to win. Can't say the same for the GOP
I don’t think they understand, they just got lucky. I have no doubt that if Biden wasn’t an incumbent we would be watching a Dem primary with some crazy-a$$ left wing candidate up against a more moderate candidate and the party would again be locked in an internal struggle over its direction.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:23
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.
With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?
46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.
From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.
The Dems did not nominate Bernie and they won. They understand the compromise required to win. Can't say the same for the GOP
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:20
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.
You keep thinking that most voters will say hell no, but you’re thinking as someone firmly in the Biden camp. The only thing I have less desire for than another 4 years of Biden is Trump part 2. The fact that your hook to independents is hold your nose and vote Biden is just really not persuasive.
IMO it is very persuasive. I am not young and I would absolutely say the majority of elections involve voting against a candidate rather than being thrilled with the democratic choice. That is just the way it is.
There are exceptions like Obama. Boy do we all miss him. And for me Clinton because I am raising some girls and I was excited to have them witness our first woman leader. Ugggg. Imagine is she would have won, where this country could be now.
But on we go. Trump is a such a huge repellent to many millions and rightly so. He is so bad he drives voter turnout to come out and defeat him which is unusual.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:16
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.
With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?
46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.
From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:12
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.
You keep thinking that most voters will say hell no, but you’re thinking as someone firmly in the Biden camp. The only thing I have less desire for than another 4 years of Biden is Trump part 2. The fact that your hook to independents is hold your nose and vote Biden is just really not persuasive.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 09:10
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.
With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?
46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 08:58
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 08:54
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 08:51
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.
They will not. No labels apparently is stupid enough to think they can avoid the abortion issue. Probably a bunch of men in charge over there.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 08:49
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.
With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?
This country won't elect an amazing candidate. The Dems had kick ass hillary Clinton and she lost. America will only elect men and to beat wacko insurrectionist trump it needs to be a moderate that win the few swing states that matter. You don't seem to be able to learn that hard lesson from 2016.
To be fair, it took a concerted effort by the GOP and Russians in the form of misinformation, recruiting Jill Stein and spending a lot of time and effort to hack the DNC and weaponize and create emails to barely - by the thinist of margins, squeak Trump into office.
Anonymous
09/06/2023 08:49
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.
The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.
Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.
Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.
You missed PP’s point.
Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?
No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.
If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.
Yes but everything is the democrats fault.
Republicans electing Trump is democrats fault. And it’s democrat’s responsibility to run a better candidate.
- np