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Anonymous wrote:I will say this about Zanab. Having watched the finale and the show. I think they communicated over each other. For sure. I do not think Cole is perfect.

My mom is a borderline personality disorder person. And watching Cole at that reunion I felt like...that was so relatable. That is what she does, she isn't even lying. She decides she is going to do something that is hurtful but that she wants to do. And she creates in her head an elaborate narrative, she entirely twists things that happened and she rallies everyone around her against the person who she's going to wrong. And truthfully she doesn't think she is lying. She can't accept wrongdoing in herself, she is also incredibly insecure, and her defense mechanism is deciding the world is against her and lashing out.

The stuff with the cuties, the stuff with the makeup that they did show with her entirely twisting something he said jokingly to be extremely critical. I believe him fully about the bachelor party. I also think she thinks she is telling the truth.

I think he is immature, but I think she is the villain in that story.

+1000

Zeneb definitely gives BPD vibes. Cole's not perfect, but she's detached from reality. She has already made her own reality in her own head.

Really, she made up Cole starting she was less attractive than some of her costars, and she made up the fact he told others he was emotionally attracted to her but physically attracted to Colleen? How do you think she felt watching that pool scene?

Nobody's saying that the pool scene was great. It wasn't. But it doesn't negate Zaneb's major, major personal issues and transgressions. She obviously has her own lying/manipulation/story-making problems.

Cole did a stupid thing for sure. Zenab did things that demonstrate serious mental health issues on her end.

Once he planted the seed that she didn't live up to her costars' looks, every comment he made about food or her body became interpreted through that lens. Perfectly understandable. I do think she's a nag who'd be hard to live with though. Of course is such a sloppy man child, he'd be even harder to live with!

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Anonymous wrote:Summary of "the cuties incident" and why people think Zeneb is bipolar, or borderline.

Cole: talks about how they can go see and celebrate with Zeneb's family for like 3 minutes and what she thinks would be the best idea

Zeneb: "you sure talk a lot about Cole"

Zeneb: eats 2 cuties

Cole: "are you having two? save you're appetito, because WE ABOUT TO EATTTTTT mmmmm"

Zeneb: "yeah but I'm trying to look good for my wedding day"

[....]

Zeneb months later: Cole said I was fat and berated me for eating 2 small pieces of fruit and was trying to control how I eat

I'm editing this because its a lot worse than that for Zenab:

Cole: talks about how they can go see and celebrate with Zeneb's family for like 3 minutes and what she thinks would be the best idea

Zeneb: "you sure talk a lot about Cole"

Zeneb: eats 2 cuties

Cole: "are you having two? save you're appetito, because WE ABOUT TO EATTTTTT mmmmm"

Zenab: Well all I ate today was a banana

Cole: Really?? Why?? I offered you poke earlier

Zenab: Yeah but we had that last night.

Cole: Oh well why?

Zenab: I could tell you but I shouldn't <pregnant with implications>

Cole: Ohhh are you trying to get a wedding day bod <said very jokingly>

[....]

Zeneb months later: Cole said I was fat and berated me for eating 2 small pieces of fruit and was trying to control how I eat

Cole was CLEARLY not only not body shaming her, but expressed concern for the fact that she had eaten so little that day. This is a classic example of someone insecure about their weight reading criticism into normal conversation.

This. Nailed it.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say this about Zanab. Having watched the finale and the show. I think they communicated over each other. For sure. I do not think Cole is perfect.

My mom is a borderline personality disorder person. And watching Cole at that reunion I felt like...that was so relatable. That is what she does, she isn't even lying. She decides she is going to do something that is hurtful but that she wants to do. And she creates in her head an elaborate narrative, she entirely twists things that happened and she rallies everyone around her against the person who she's going to wrong. And truthfully she doesn't think she is lying. She can't accept wrongdoing in herself, she is also incredibly insecure, and her defense mechanism is deciding the world is against her and lashing out.

The stuff with the cuties, the stuff with the makeup that they did show with her entirely twisting something he said jokingly to be extremely critical. I believe him fully about the bachelor party. I also think she thinks she is telling the truth.

I think he is immature, but I think she is the villain in that story.

+1000

Zeneb definitely gives BPD vibes. Cole's not perfect, but she's detached from reality. She has already made her own reality in her own head.

Really, she made up Cole starting she was less attractive than some of her costars, and she made up the fact he told others he was emotionally attracted to her but physically attracted to Colleen? How do you think she felt watching that pool scene?

Nobody's saying that the pool scene was great. It wasn't. But it doesn't negate Zaneb's major, major personal issues and transgressions. She obviously has her own lying/manipulation/story-making problems.

Cole did a stupid thing for sure. Zenab did things that demonstrate serious mental health issues on her end.

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Anonymous wrote:Bartise is gaslighting scum. Go, Nancy!

Also, he is so unattractive and she looked beautiful.

I DESPISE Bartise, but if I'm just judging his looks I think he's very attractive.

He's ugly and that tux and no socks look... 🤡

*stating

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Anonymous wrote:I will say this about Zanab. Having watched the finale and the show. I think they communicated over each other. For sure. I do not think Cole is perfect.

My mom is a borderline personality disorder person. And watching Cole at that reunion I felt like...that was so relatable. That is what she does, she isn't even lying. She decides she is going to do something that is hurtful but that she wants to do. And she creates in her head an elaborate narrative, she entirely twists things that happened and she rallies everyone around her against the person who she's going to wrong. And truthfully she doesn't think she is lying. She can't accept wrongdoing in herself, she is also incredibly insecure, and her defense mechanism is deciding the world is against her and lashing out.

The stuff with the cuties, the stuff with the makeup that they did show with her entirely twisting something he said jokingly to be extremely critical. I believe him fully about the bachelor party. I also think she thinks she is telling the truth.

I think he is immature, but I think she is the villain in that story.

+1000

Zeneb definitely gives BPD vibes. Cole's not perfect, but she's detached from reality. She has already made her own reality in her own head.

Really, she made up Cole starting she was less attractive than some of her costars, and she made up the fact he told others he was emotionally attracted to her but physically attracted to Colleen? How do you think she felt watching that pool scene?

Anonymous wrote:Summary of "the cuties incident" and why people think Zeneb is bipolar, or borderline.

Cole: talks about how they can go see and celebrate with Zeneb's family for like 3 minutes and what she thinks would be the best idea

Zeneb: "you sure talk a lot about Cole"

Zeneb: eats 2 cuties

Cole: "are you having two? save you're appetito, because WE ABOUT TO EATTTTTT mmmmm"

Zeneb: "yeah but I'm trying to look good for my wedding day"

[....]

Zeneb months later: Cole said I was fat and berated me for eating 2 small pieces of fruit and was trying to control how I eat

I'm editing this because its a lot worse than that for Zenab:

Cole: talks about how they can go see and celebrate with Zeneb's family for like 3 minutes and what she thinks would be the best idea

Zeneb: "you sure talk a lot about Cole"

Zeneb: eats 2 cuties

Cole: "are you having two? save you're appetito, because WE ABOUT TO EATTTTTT mmmmm"

Zenab: Well all I ate today was a banana

Cole: Really?? Why?? I offered you poke earlier

Zenab: Yeah but we had that last night.

Cole: Oh well why?

Zenab: I could tell you but I shouldn't <pregnant with implications>

Cole: Ohhh are you trying to get a wedding day bod <said very jokingly>

[....]

Zeneb months later: Cole said I was fat and berated me for eating 2 small pieces of fruit and was trying to control how I eat

Cole was CLEARLY not only not body shaming her, but expressed concern for the fact that she had eaten so little that day. This is a classic example of someone insecure about their weight reading criticism into normal conversation.

Also please excuse my misspelling of her name. I come from a similar background and have heard that name - it's not always spelled the same way.

Anonymous wrote:I will say this about Zanab. Having watched the finale and the show. I think they communicated over each other. For sure. I do not think Cole is perfect.

My mom is a borderline personality disorder person. And watching Cole at that reunion I felt like...that was so relatable. That is what she does, she isn't even lying. She decides she is going to do something that is hurtful but that she wants to do. And she creates in her head an elaborate narrative, she entirely twists things that happened and she rallies everyone around her against the person who she's going to wrong. And truthfully she doesn't think she is lying. She can't accept wrongdoing in herself, she is also incredibly insecure, and her defense mechanism is deciding the world is against her and lashing out.

The stuff with the cuties, the stuff with the makeup that they did show with her entirely twisting something he said jokingly to be extremely critical. I believe him fully about the bachelor party. I also think she thinks she is telling the truth.

I think he is immature, but I think she is the villain in that story.

+1000

Zeneb definitely gives BPD vibes. Cole's not perfect, but she's detached from reality. She has already made her own reality in her own head.

Summary of "the cuties incident" and why people think Zeneb is bipolar, or borderline.

Cole: talks about how they can go see and celebrate with Zeneb's family for like 3 minutes and what she thinks would be the best idea

Zeneb: "you sure talk a lot about Cole"

Zeneb: eats 2 cuties

Cole: "are you having two? save you're appetito, because WE ABOUT TO EATTTTTT mmmmm"

Zeneb: "yeah but I'm trying to look good for my wedding day"

[....]

Zeneb months later: Cole said I was fat and berated me for eating 2 small pieces of fruit and was trying to control how I eat

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Anonymous wrote:The "cuties" footage at the end of the finale very, very clearly proved that Zanab is batshit insane and rewrites things to make her to be a perpetual victim. Cole did absolutely nothing wrong in that scene.

You're nuts.

What did he say or do wrong? Truly?

Zanab was projecting her own insecurities onto her restriction so she could fit into her dress, and blamed him. That's on her.

And if people noticed, he commented that he was simply asking because they both needed to save room for what he said was going to be a huge dinner they were going to later - nothing to do with her weight. He inquired as to why she had eaten so little earlier and even commented that he offered her more food than she ate. I didn’t get any “you need to lose weight” vibes; he merely guesses as to the reason why she had eaten so little. Should he have said “you’re beautiful and don’t need to lose weight”? Sure, maybe, but his comments beforehand weren’t malicious.



He said "are you really going to eat two?" Why the eff did he say that then? What is that, 70 calories? I think he started backtracking when he remembered the cameras were on.

He did not say that. He said: "Are you about to eat two of those?" There was no hostility or judgment in his voice (unless you're projecting, obviously) and then Zanab followed up about WHY she is voluntarily choosing to restrict herself (for her dress).

Jesus, as a woman who's struggled with weight and judgment most of my life, his question was completely and totally benign. It was his flighty curious question, and nothing more.

Sorry for the repost; my comment was in the wrong place. Original below.

And if people noticed, he commented that he was simply asking because they both needed to save room for what he said was going to be a huge dinner they were going to later - nothing to do with her weight. He inquired as to why she had eaten so little earlier and even commented that he offered her more food than she ate. I didn’t get any “you need to lose weight” vibes; he merely guesses as to the reason why she had eaten so little. Should he have said “you’re beautiful and don’t need to lose weight”? Sure, maybe, but his comments beforehand weren’t malicious

Right? God forbid anyone talk about food with someone who is overweight or insecure. It was an orange, he didn't say it about a second cookie. He wanted to make sure she saved room for dinner so they could both enjoy the amount of food in front of them (he motioned with his hands how much food it would be).

I will say this about Zanab. Having watched the finale and the show. I think they communicated over each other. For sure. I do not think Cole is perfect.

My mom is a borderline personality disorder person. And watching Cole at that reunion I felt like...that was so relatable. That is what she does, she isn't even lying. She decides she is going to do something that is hurtful but that she wants to do. And she creates in her head an elaborate narrative, she entirely twists things that happened and she rallies everyone around her against the person who she's going to wrong. And truthfully she doesn't think she is lying. She can't accept wrongdoing in herself, she is also incredibly insecure, and her defense mechanism is deciding the world is against her and lashing out.

The stuff with the cuties, the stuff with the makeup that they did show with her entirely twisting something he said jokingly to be extremely critical. I believe him fully about the bachelor party. I also think she thinks she is telling the truth.

I think he is immature, but I think she is the villain in that story.

^^ I'm the pp. I forgot to make one more comment. Zanab absolutely murdered Cole at the wedding. She destroyed his soul. I was SHOCKED she went that hard.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think about Raven and SK continuing to date?

I think it's nice in theory but see too many differences for them to make it for the long haul.

I posted several pages back that I hoped we would find out at the reunion that they were dating. I think they seem great together. Mature, not rushing it, not letting any of the foolishness that happened on the show affect their experience or outcome. Also, they seem equally yoked and genuine about their feelings for each other.

I'm really surprised how much I needed up ended up liking Raven and Raven and SK together. However, as much as I like Raven and think she's very pretty, I hated her reunion look. hated the dress, her makeup, and her weave plus the way it was styled.

Colleen and Matt seem really in love. I wonder if he's had any other angry outbursts since the show ended.

Zanab was gorgeous at the reunion. I don't get how Cole was so enamored by Collen's looks (very average) when Zanab is just stunning! I can see how her personality is a bit of a drag though. I do wonder if IRL she might be a little more fun/lighthearted and maybe the way we saw her was a result of Cole triggering her insecurities, and it was hard for her to let that go for the rest of the show.

Bartese is an idiot (not because he didn't marry Nancy, that's actually the best decision he made the entire show). I was so hoping we would see Nancy's brother sucker punch Bartese. Or her mom Slap him like Wil smacked Chris. lol

I can't figure out Alexa and Brennon. They are not giving off 'madly in new love' vibes like Matt and Colleen.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Zanab is one insecure, and perhaps even abusive woman. I say this as a woman who lost my parents young as well. Girl may not be bipolar, but BPD isn't off the table. She's nuts.

Zanab is a beautiful woman who deserves someone on her level. Cole is immature and not the right person for her. She was right to say no to him. They were not a good match.

She absolutely did. But she was cruel. And apparently blindsided him with that cruelty. Honestly Cole tried hard, she is very insecure. I am not sure I think she is abusive but I think she handled the wedding VERY badly.