Anonymous wrote:Manchin was just interviewed moments ago and said I quote 'he's not in a rush' especially since the only real deadline was Biden leaving for Europe and 'the bill will take awhile'.

I love him. I know the progressives are fuming.

He's the real President of the United States.

Sinema says she’s for drugs!

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that the moderates are in fact getting bolder. Someone needs to tell the progressives they arent running things.

+1 I voted for a vocal moderate Congress. One that will save ACA, get voters rights legislation passed, focus on taking care of the pandemic, and re-upping our alliances with foreign powers.

I did not vote for a delegation from NY and WA to throw in huge social welfare packages while introducing sky-high inflation prices.

Which “social welfare packages” do you specifically address and what makes them too expensive to you? Can you put the prices in context?

Can you read the thread?

Too much shackled to actual Infrastructure that no one wants. Including $1.8 Trillion that they haven't even explained what they want to do with. They've had 8 months, stop hanging us up.

You cut these three things, its $2.6 trillion in expenditures gone, and a lean $900 billion 'Build Back Better' proposal which still tackles environmental concerns and clean energy. Which is INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1.8 trillion for the Finance Committee. This part of the bill is for investments in working families, the elderly, and the environment. It includes a tax cut for Americans making less than $400,000 a year, lowering the price of prescription drugs, and ensuring the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

$726 billion for the Health, Labor, Education, and Pensions Committee. This addresses universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, childcare for working families, tuition-free community college, funding for historically black colleges and universities, and an expansion of the Pell Grant for higher education.

$107 billion for the Judiciary Committee. These funds address establishing "lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants."

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that the moderates are in fact getting bolder. Someone needs to tell the progressives they arent running things.

+1 I voted for a vocal moderate Congress. One that will save ACA, get voters rights legislation passed, focus on taking care of the pandemic, and re-upping our alliances with foreign powers.

I did not vote for a delegation from NY and WA to throw in huge social welfare packages while introducing sky-high inflation prices.

Which “social welfare packages” do you specifically address and what makes them too expensive to you? Can you put the prices in context?

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin just cracked. He’s now set the stage to negotiate a deal on reconciliation. It will definitely come down a lot. I predict it lands somewhere between $2T-$2.5T. A lot of the climate stuff will get chucked or watered down. Both the BIF and reconciliation will pass by the end of October.

He didn't crack. He waved a contract he signed with Schumer THREE MONTHS AGO that stating the bill would be no more than $1.5 Trillion. Someone call AOC and tell her to purge her wish list and move on. She's been out-flanked by real politicians.

How's that 'crack' going for you?

Manchin was just interviewed moments ago and said I quote 'he's not in a rush' especially since the only real deadline was Biden leaving for Europe and 'the bill will take awhile'.

I love him. I know the progressives are fuming.

Anonymous wrote:I hope that the moderates are in fact getting bolder. Someone needs to tell the progressives they arent running things.

+1 I voted for a vocal moderate Congress. One that will save ACA, get voters rights legislation passed, focus on taking care of the pandemic, and re-upping our alliances with foreign powers.

I did not vote for a delegation from NY and WA to throw in huge social welfare packages while introducing sky-high inflation prices.

I hope that the moderates are in fact getting bolder. Someone needs to tell the progressives they arent running things.

God these two - endless entertainment

Knives are out and the moderates are getting bolder. Me thinks that 30-year high on inflation, the shocking tumble of the GDP, and Biden being out of the country all at once spooked them.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Biden will still have a veto from 2022-2024.

Government shutdown coming in 1, 2, 3.....

Which will be resolved by the Republicans keeping the infrastructure bill intact in exchange for gutting most of the social bill. I wouldn't be surprised if 2/3ds of it never becomes reality.

Yes, those tactics worked so well when they tried them on Obama and the ACA.

Pretty easy. The current bill has 550 billion in climate fighting programs. Republicans will just cut that out completely, calling it wasteful bureaucratic bloat with no meaningful impact on people's lives. Biden is not a popular president and frankly I have no idea how he is able to function if the Reps control both houses.

It will be massively gutted, either outright or death by a thousand cuts. It's what happens when you try to pass something with the barest of majorities and rapidly sinking polling numbers and an opposition that shows no signs of being interested in working with you (because you also won't work with them).

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Biden will still have a veto from 2022-2024.

Government shutdown coming in 1, 2, 3.....

Which will be resolved by the Republicans keeping the infrastructure bill intact in exchange for gutting most of the social bill. I wouldn't be surprised if 2/3ds of it never becomes reality.

Yes, those tactics worked so well when they tried them on Obama and the ACA.

Reconciliation and the ACA are worlds apart. For one thing - Obama was focused on one plank: healthcare. Not ten different ones and the kitchen sink.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Biden will still have a veto from 2022-2024.

Government shutdown coming in 1, 2, 3.....

Which will be resolved by the Republicans keeping the infrastructure bill intact in exchange for gutting most of the social bill. I wouldn't be surprised if 2/3ds of it never becomes reality.

Yes, those tactics worked so well when they tried them on Obama and the ACA.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Biden will still have a veto from 2022-2024.

Government shutdown coming in 1, 2, 3.....

Which will be resolved by the Republicans keeping the infrastructure bill intact in exchange for gutting most of the social bill. I wouldn't be surprised if 2/3ds of it never becomes reality.

Don’t forget the debt ceiling fiasco still waiting in the wings!