Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:26
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up
PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point
Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van
Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over
THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home
Not a crime
He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.
Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.
Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.
All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.
Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:24
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Hello: https://people.com/crime/utah-police-not-ruling-out-potential-link-gabrielle-petito-crystal-turner-kylen-schulte/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://people.com/crime/utah-police-not-ruling-out-potential-link-gabrielle-petito-crystal-turner-kylen-schulte/
Stop with the distraction of focusing on Brian and find out who is preying on campers in Moab ???
Stop with the distraction of focusing on Brian and find out who is preying on campers in Moab ???
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:19
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Playing devil's advocate - considering that he had flown to FL just a few weeks ago, why would he drive back without her knowing it would lead to a MILLION questions if he did kill her?
I'm not saying he didn't - and I'm CERTAINLY not saying she wasn't a victim of something, I mean that video says it all - but it's not like he thought he could just go back in their van and people would be like, "oh no Gabby? Cool."
He simply followed legal advice of the lawyer his parents hired
Lots of people reading into his actions and making all kinds of assumptions including that Gabby is Brian’s victim
Gabby quit her job, accepted a marriage proposal from a man who also has no job, became homeless with him and continued living out of a vehicle with him even after violence had broken out and she acknowledged to police that she was suffering from mental health issues
Yet, no responsibility for her predicament can be attached to her - or her parents - instead, ALL of the blame must be placed on the head of her same age bf
Only because she has disappeared.
They were traveling together - he was responsible for her, and she was responsible for him. If she had shown up at home without him, with his cellphone etc. etc., and she had lawyered up, the reverse would be getting discussed right now.
At the very least he needs to tell her parents what he can about her whereabouts. He's not. Bottom line. Instead, he's silent, he has her cellphone and her vehicle, and he's lawyered up. These are the actions of a guilty man, and not someone who dropped her off in the nearest town and left her there.
Hopefully she's still alive and will eventually turn up. We can only hope.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:19
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I'm just throwing this out there because I'd never heard of this until I saw it on FB, but there is a "zone of death" in Yellowstone. Whether it is a loophole or not I don't know, but interesting and scary enough for me to never go to Yellowstone without a big group. 
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:16
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you people who are rushing to judgment of this young man considered that by putting all the focus on him you are possibly providing cover for a real perpetrator- if there is one -
Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.
I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something
Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid
Um, I think her guy was the Ted Bundy type.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:12
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Here’s my theory with lots of holes in it:
He killed the newlywed couple the night after the fight when he was in the hotel room alone and Gabby was in the van. Motive not clear. He freaked out about it and made up some excuse to get out of the area ASAP so the deaths couldn’t be traced back to him. For some reason he flies back to Utah and picks up Gabby and they hightail it out of town and head to the Tetons. Gabby somehow finds out what he did and he kills her and takes off in her van.
Far fetched, but whether he killed the newlyweds or not I feel like their deaths are somehow connected to Gabby’s disappearance.
He killed the newlywed couple the night after the fight when he was in the hotel room alone and Gabby was in the van. Motive not clear. He freaked out about it and made up some excuse to get out of the area ASAP so the deaths couldn’t be traced back to him. For some reason he flies back to Utah and picks up Gabby and they hightail it out of town and head to the Tetons. Gabby somehow finds out what he did and he kills her and takes off in her van.
Far fetched, but whether he killed the newlyweds or not I feel like their deaths are somehow connected to Gabby’s disappearance.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:12
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I’m sorry for gabby and I think her bf killed her.
That aside, was she making money as an influencer? Bc the video in the OP is extremely boring. I had to click out after 2 minutes. People make a living doing this?
That aside, was she making money as an influencer? Bc the video in the OP is extremely boring. I had to click out after 2 minutes. People make a living doing this?
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:06
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Have any of you people who are rushing to judgment of this young man considered that by putting all the focus on him you are possibly providing cover for a real perpetrator- if there is one -
Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.
I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something
Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid
Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.
I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something
Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:05
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?
Someone will come along and tell you that the van was not reported stolen, so it’s not a crime. That in the police video, he was the driver and she was okay with that, so it makes sense that he would have her car.
To the rest of us using common sense, it’s a major red flag for him to be in possession of her vehicle back in Florida, with her having gone missing.
Glad we have a rational, impartial legal system in place, instead of relying on emotions and misguided “common sense” of people like you.
It was once “common sense” to burn women as witches, based on perceived “red flags.”
Oh, I’m thrilled that this young man will be going through the legal system. I look forward to the legal system picking apart arguments like “she probably loaned him the car” and “he pretended to be her in a text to her mom because he was scared” and “he was the abuse victim and the missing woman was the abuser”.
If he faked her texts, there is likely video from the phone or cell service provider showing him writing the texts.
The only evidence he faked her texts is her own mom’s unsubstantiated hunches.
Lol WHAT
So could the “video” PP please clarify this comment? Do you believe that internet/cell service providers are filming us as we send texts? Thanks in advance.
It is not what I believe.
Siri / Alexa / any IOT device is always on and always recording.
What makes you believe internet video is and different? What about your phone’s facial recognition program?
Please explain when that camera is turned off (hint: it isn’t).
As to what is actually recorded - that information is classified.
Half the world's servers is just storing video of people unlocking their phones 3479782371 times a day, I'm sure.
Why don’t you ask?
I am sure you’ll get “the least untruthful answer” they care to make up.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 14:05
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up
PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point
Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van
Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over
THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home
Not a crime
He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 13:42
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
would like to see the money trail for their trip. For instance, did they regularly use bank cards and credit cards up until she stopped communicating with family/last siting? and then did everything suddenly switch to cash?
Anonymous
09/17/2021 13:37
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??
Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :
1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle
You know this as her parents and what do you do ? Nothing - it seems - No, come home NOW Gabby - no ??? Get to the nearest airport and we will buy you a plane ticket home - right now Gabby
Instead, he Dad is paying for meals to be delivered to her while she lives in the van - OK
What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .
Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.
Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl
Signed,
A woman
Okay, well in that scenario why didn't HIS parents come get him if he was being seriously abused? He's staying with them now, so they are certainly close enough. If she is the abuser, why would she leave the vehicle (which is in her name)? If she's a controlling b, then she's going to punish him and take the car and make him hitchhike. Also, you have a very paternalistic viewpoint: you're saying she needs to be protected, but that she's also the instigator.
Okay, NEXT.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 13:30
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?
Someone will come along and tell you that the van was not reported stolen, so it’s not a crime. That in the police video, he was the driver and she was okay with that, so it makes sense that he would have her car.
To the rest of us using common sense, it’s a major red flag for him to be in possession of her vehicle back in Florida, with her having gone missing.
Glad we have a rational, impartial legal system in place, instead of relying on emotions and misguided “common sense” of people like you.
It was once “common sense” to burn women as witches, based on perceived “red flags.”
Oh, I’m thrilled that this young man will be going through the legal system. I look forward to the legal system picking apart arguments like “she probably loaned him the car” and “he pretended to be her in a text to her mom because he was scared” and “he was the abuse victim and the missing woman was the abuser”.
If he faked her texts, there is likely video from the phone or cell service provider showing him writing the texts.
The only evidence he faked her texts is her own mom’s unsubstantiated hunches.
Lol WHAT
So could the “video” PP please clarify this comment? Do you believe that internet/cell service providers are filming us as we send texts? Thanks in advance.
It is not what I believe.
Siri / Alexa / any IOT device is always on and always recording.
What makes you believe internet video is and different? What about your phone’s facial recognition program?
Please explain when that camera is turned off (hint: it isn’t).
As to what is actually recorded - that information is classified.
Half the world's servers is just storing video of people unlocking their phones 3479782371 times a day, I'm sure.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 13:28
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Her husband, Lee Heist, who was investigated and then cleared as a suspect
Anonymous
09/17/2021 13:24
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Her face is all over the news. She is not alive. There is one person who knows what happened. He is not cooperating with police and is instead being as silent as legally allowed.
This is not some normal "oh we broke up" bull shit.
The psychos who kill their pregnancy wives (Scott Peterson, Tyler Tessier) usually try to work with police at first to appear innocent. This guy went from "we are in love" to "I have a lawyer" VERY QUICKLY.
Also: she is still missing. She is not turning up alive. Please find me one case where 3 weeks later someone turned up alive when the boyfriend is acting shady AF. I'll wait.
https://silverandfree.com/blogs/silver-free-blog/11-amazing-before-and-after-gray-hair-transformation-photos
Glad you "waited"
haha, meant to add this link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Sherri_Papini
Good luck on your grey journey.
That woman's husband was CONCERNED.
"According to Bosenko, Keith Papini "has been cooperative and even volunteered for a polygraph, which he passed."
Exactly. That was what I was going to post as well that lady's husband actually called the police to report the disappearance. In this case, no one was called at all which is really strange and on top of that, he drove her car back to FL. There's definitely a lot of suspicious things about the bf.