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Anonymous wrote:If you look at this from the Iranian prospective. The US and Israel are crazy war mongers who want to total destruction of Iran.

There is nothing the Iranians can do but defend themselves against the US and Israel. Enter in to negotiations, you get attacked regardless of how the negotiations are proceeding. Sign a treaty, you get attacked. What are the options for Iran?

Listen to the rhetoric used in the US and Israel. Iran has not attacked a single country in 47 years and was more than capable of making a nuclear bomb if they had the desire. Yet it is a constant drum beat to destroy Iran.

The US and even crazier Israelis are rogue nations.

Virtually everything you just said is misleading, leaving out important context, or is outright false.

The claim that Iran has 'not attacked a single country in 47 years' omits a large amount of well documented activity. While Iran has not launched a conventional full scale invasion since the end of the Iran Iraq War in 1988, it has repeatedly supported and directed armed groups that carry out attacks across the Middle East. Iran's government, primarily through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force, has provided funding, weapons, training, and operational guidance to groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. Hezbollah alone has carried out attacks against Israeli civilians and military targets for decades and was responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Support for proxy warfare is widely understood in international relations as a form of state sponsored violence, even if the sponsoring state does not send its own army across a border.

Iran has also been directly linked to attacks on international shipping and regional targets in recent years. The United States, European governments, and independent investigators have attributed several tanker attacks in the Gulf region in 2019 to Iranian forces or Iranian backed actors. Iran has also supplied missiles and drones to the Houthi movement in Yemen, which has used them to strike Saudi Arabia and international shipping routes in the Red Sea. In 2024, Iran launched a large scale missile and drone attack directly at Israel following a strike on Iranian personnel in Syria. Even though most of those projectiles were intercepted, the event itself demonstrates that Iran is willing to carry out direct military attacks beyond its borders when it chooses.

The claim that Iran simply wants peaceful negotiations but is attacked regardless is also incomplete. Iran did sign the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the United States, the European Union, Russia, and China in 2015. That agreement significantly limited Iran's uranium enrichment and nuclear stockpile in exchange for sanctions relief. The United States withdrew from the agreement in 2018 under Donald Trump, which was widely criticized by many international observers and allies. However, since that withdrawal Iran has progressively exceeded the enrichment limits set by the deal, enriching uranium to levels far closer to weapons grade and restricting some international inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. These actions contribute to ongoing international concern about Iran's nuclear intentions, even among countries that supported the original agreement.

It is also inaccurate to portray Israel and the United States as uniquely hostile without acknowledging the explicit positions taken by Iran's leadership toward Israel. Senior Iranian officials, including former Supreme Leader allies and members of the Revolutionary Guard, have repeatedly called for the elimination of the Israeli state. Iran does not recognize Israel's legitimacy and has consistently supported armed groups that seek Israel's destruction. From Israel's perspective, a government that funds and arms organizations dedicated to its destruction while pursuing advanced nuclear capabilities represents a serious security threat. That context is critical to understanding why tensions remain high.

Finally, the idea that Iran has always been capable of building a nuclear weapon but simply chooses not to ignores the extensive international monitoring and sanctions that have shaped Iran's nuclear program for decades. Intelligence agencies and the IAEA have concluded that Iran conducted organized weapons related nuclear research in the early 2000s before suspending parts of that work. Since then the international community has attempted to constrain the program through diplomacy and inspections rather than war. The situation is therefore not a simple story of two aggressive nations targeting an innocent state. It is a complex geopolitical conflict involving proxy warfare, ideological hostility, regional power competition, and disputed nuclear ambitions.

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Anonymous wrote:Robert Pape is a UChicago professor and one of the leading experts on air power. He has advised every White House since 2001 (43 W) to 2024 (46 Biden), including Trump 45.

He paints a terrible picture of the war now and the consequences into the future.

Can anyone point to a single academic expert that says the Iran invasion is a good thing?


The Iran War Expert: I Simulated The Iran War for 20 Years. Here’s What Happens Next

Trump IS TRAPPED In Iran Escalation Nightmare

There are a whole bunch of experts saying the Iranians have not used their best missiles and drones. They are still using old and outdated missiles to deplete the air defenses. The next stage of the war will be a lot more destructive in Israel, the gulf states and the US.

Though they have been saying it on long time.
https://youtu.be/pJRmkd3H4DY?si=8h-CZBBj3k8gVrOZ

Air defenses of Israel and US has collapsed
https://www.youtube.com/live/nMjMz8yL_kk?si=5BFBhRX_wkaYX70R

How real and current are these analyses? There is very little info available on what Iranian targets have been hit, but there are numerous sources citing that the numbers of ballistic missile and drone launches by Iran have shrunk dramatically, and that Iran's attacks are already less than 10% of what they were at the beginning of the war. That suggests a significant reduction in Iran's capabilities, whether many stockpiles and launch sites destroyed, command and control significantly degraded and so on. While "experts" are saying one thing about Iran's attack capabilities, the observed evidence seems to be the opposite.

We also don't know the full extent of what Israeli and other targets they did or didn't hit. Israel doesn't seem to be admitting much and if anything are expanding and broadening their strikes and attacks, whether targets in Lebanon or even hitting Basij street checkpoints in downtown Tehran

Bio
Alastair Crooke (born 1949) is a former British diplomat and senior MI6 intelligence officer who founded the Beirut-based Conflicts Forum, which advocates for engaging with political Islam. With decades of experience in the Middle East, he previously advised EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana and facilitated ceasefires during the2000s

Chris Hedges won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting (or Breaking News Reporting in some contexts) as part of a New York Times team covering global terrorism. He contributed to the paper's coverage of al-Qaeda, utilizing his extensive experience as a foreign correspondent in the Middle East and Balkans

Theodore Postol is Professor of Science, Technology and National Security Policy in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT. He did his undergraduate work in physics and his graduate work in nuclear engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. After receiving his Ph.D., Dr. Postol joined the staff of Argonne National Laboratory, where he studied the microscopic dynamics and structure of liquids and disordered solids using neutron, x-ray and light scattering, along with computer molecular dynamics techniques. Subsequently he went to the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment to study methods of basing the MX Missile, and later worked as a scientific adviser to the Chief of Naval Operations. After leaving the Pentagon, Dr. Postol helped to build a program at Stanford University to train mid-career scientists to study developments in weapons technology of relevance to defense and arms control policy. In 1990 Dr. Postol was awarded the Leo Szilard Prize from the American Physical Society. In 1995 he received the Hilliard Roderick Prize from the American Association for the Advancement of Science and in 2001 he received the Norbert Wiener Award from Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility for uncovering numerous and important false claims about missile defenses

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — A large explosion rocked an area of Iran’s capital where thousands were gathered Friday for an annual state-organized rally to support the Palestinians and call for Israel’s demise. Israel had warned that it would target the area in central Tehran.

There were no immediate reports of casualties. But the decision to proceed with the mass demonstration that was attended by some senior government officials, and Israel’s threat to target the area, underscored the fierce determination on both sides nearly two weeks into a war that has rattled the global economy and shows no sign of letting up.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-us-march-13-2026-oil-prices-2a86a1f5c5997b70c6586d957074fb0c

Israel openly targeting civilian crowds? This is straight up terrorism. The Israelis are crazy religious fanatics. Winning hearts and minds! Still think the school bombing was an accident?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robert Pape is a UChicago professor and one of the leading experts on air power. He has advised every White House since 2001 (43 W) to 2024 (46 Biden), including Trump 45.

He paints a terrible picture of the war now and the consequences into the future.

Can anyone point to a single academic expert that says the Iran invasion is a good thing?


The Iran War Expert: I Simulated The Iran War for 20 Years. Here’s What Happens Next

Trump IS TRAPPED In Iran Escalation Nightmare

There are a whole bunch of experts saying the Iranians have not used their best missiles and drones. They are still using old and outdated missiles to deplete the air defenses. The next stage of the war will be a lot more destructive in Israel, the gulf states and the US.

Though they have been saying it on long time.
https://youtu.be/pJRmkd3H4DY?si=8h-CZBBj3k8gVrOZ

Air defenses of Israel and US has collapsed
https://www.youtube.com/live/nMjMz8yL_kk?si=5BFBhRX_wkaYX70R

How real and current are these analyses? There is very little info available on what Iranian targets have been hit, but there are numerous sources citing that the numbers of ballistic missile and drone launches by Iran have shrunk dramatically, and that Iran's attacks are already less than 10% of what they were at the beginning of the war. That suggests a significant reduction in Iran's capabilities, whether many stockpiles and launch sites destroyed, command and control significantly degraded and so on. While "experts" are saying one thing about Iran's attack capabilities, the observed evidence seems to be the opposite.

We also don't know the full extent of what Israeli and other targets they did or didn't hit. Israel doesn't seem to be admitting much and if anything are expanding and broadening their strikes and attacks, whether targets in Lebanon or even hitting Basij street checkpoints in downtown Tehran

This is very real. Look up the bio of the speakers.

The inceptors are lucky if they get a 25% success rate. Anything above Mach 4 or with multiple wars heads, terminal stage maneuverability or decoys gets through. The larger number of drones and missiles used earlier in the war was planned. They used cheap older drones and ballistic missiles to use up US, gulf states and Israel interceptors. Even this stuff got through.

They also knocked out long range radar at American bases. These were the early warning radars. This is a key component of the US military air defense. It takes Iranian ballistic missiles 5-12 minutes hit American gulf bases and 7-15 minutes to hit Israel. Without these radars the engagement time for US and Israel is cut in half.

Now the Iranians are starting using their multi warhead missiles, their more sophisticated drones, etc. The Iranians can hit anything they want in the gulf and missiles are getting through Israeli air defense. If you look at the Hebrew language media you will get a picture of what is going on.

This is exactly what the Russians did to the Ukrainian air defenses when they invaded Ukraine. It’s a playbook. The Iranians are not stupid. They know they win if the gulf oil is shut down

Yes less Iranian missiles and drones are being launched but now ask the other question. Do you have to fire double the interceptors to achieve the same interception percentage?

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — A large explosion rocked an area of Iran’s capital where thousands were gathered Friday for an annual state-organized rally to support the Palestinians and call for Israel’s demise. Israel had warned that it would target the area in central Tehran.

There were no immediate reports of casualties. But the decision to proceed with the mass demonstration that was attended by some senior government officials, and Israel’s threat to target the area, underscored the fierce determination on both sides nearly two weeks into a war that has rattled the global economy and shows no sign of letting up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robert Pape is a UChicago professor and one of the leading experts on air power. He has advised every White House since 2001 (43 W) to 2024 (46 Biden), including Trump 45.

He paints a terrible picture of the war now and the consequences into the future.

Can anyone point to a single academic expert that says the Iran invasion is a good thing?


The Iran War Expert: I Simulated The Iran War for 20 Years. Here’s What Happens Next

Trump IS TRAPPED In Iran Escalation Nightmare

There are a whole bunch of experts saying the Iranians have not used their best missiles and drones. They are still using old and outdated missiles to deplete the air defenses. The next stage of the war will be a lot more destructive in Israel, the gulf states and the US.

Though they have been saying it on long time.
https://youtu.be/pJRmkd3H4DY?si=8h-CZBBj3k8gVrOZ

Air defenses of Israel and US has collapsed
https://www.youtube.com/live/nMjMz8yL_kk?si=5BFBhRX_wkaYX70R

How real and current are these analyses? There is very little info available on what Iranian targets have been hit, but there are numerous sources citing that the numbers of ballistic missile and drone launches by Iran have shrunk dramatically, and that Iran's attacks are already less than 10% of what they were at the beginning of the war. That suggests a significant reduction in Iran's capabilities, whether many stockpiles and launch sites destroyed, command and control significantly degraded and so on. While "experts" are saying one thing about Iran's attack capabilities, the observed evidence seems to be the opposite.

We also don't know the full extent of what Israeli and other targets they did or didn't hit. Israel doesn't seem to be admitting much and if anything are expanding and broadening their strikes and attacks, whether targets in Lebanon or even hitting Basij street checkpoints in downtown Tehran

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None of this is normal. Israel is a belligerent, monstrous evil thrust upon the ME because the God damned Germans (and the west as a whole) were never forced to give up their own land for what they did.

The Middle East paying the price for European Christianity not being able to control their ancient hatred for Jews.

To be clear and add context you omit, Arabs tried genocoding the Jews from the day they stepped off boats as refugees in Palestine.

To be clear and add context you omit, Iran has been directing blind hatred and evil at the West every single day since 1979.

Huh, weird. Did something happen there around 1979?

Yeah, Iranian students justifiably removed a corrupt American puppet from power.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at this from the Iranian prospective. The US and Israel are crazy war mongers who want to total destruction of Iran.

There is nothing the Iranians can do but defend themselves against the US and Israel. Enter in to negotiations, you get attacked regardless of how the negotiations are proceeding. Sign a treaty, you get attacked. What are the options for Iran?

Listen to the rhetoric used in the US and Israel. Iran has not attacked a single country in 47 years and was more than capable of making a nuclear bomb if they had the desire. Yet it is a constant drum beat to destroy Iran.

The US and even crazier Israelis are rogue nations.

Virtually everything you just said is misleading, leaving out important context, or is outright false.

The claim that Iran has 'not attacked a single country in 47 years' omits a large amount of well documented activity. While Iran has not launched a conventional full scale invasion since the end of the Iran Iraq War in 1988, it has repeatedly supported and directed armed groups that carry out attacks across the Middle East. Iran's government, primarily through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force, has provided funding, weapons, training, and operational guidance to groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. Hezbollah alone has carried out attacks against Israeli civilians and military targets for decades and was responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Support for proxy warfare is widely understood in international relations as a form of state sponsored violence, even if the sponsoring state does not send its own army across a border.

Iran has also been directly linked to attacks on international shipping and regional targets in recent years. The United States, European governments, and independent investigators have attributed several tanker attacks in the Gulf region in 2019 to Iranian forces or Iranian backed actors. Iran has also supplied missiles and drones to the Houthi movement in Yemen, which has used them to strike Saudi Arabia and international shipping routes in the Red Sea. In 2024, Iran launched a large scale missile and drone attack directly at Israel following a strike on Iranian personnel in Syria. Even though most of those projectiles were intercepted, the event itself demonstrates that Iran is willing to carry out direct military attacks beyond its borders when it chooses.

The claim that Iran simply wants peaceful negotiations but is attacked regardless is also incomplete. Iran did sign the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the United States, the European Union, Russia, and China in 2015. That agreement significantly limited Iran's uranium enrichment and nuclear stockpile in exchange for sanctions relief. The United States withdrew from the agreement in 2018 under Donald Trump, which was widely criticized by many international observers and allies. However, since that withdrawal Iran has progressively exceeded the enrichment limits set by the deal, enriching uranium to levels far closer to weapons grade and restricting some international inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. These actions contribute to ongoing international concern about Iran's nuclear intentions, even among countries that supported the original agreement.

It is also inaccurate to portray Israel and the United States as uniquely hostile without acknowledging the explicit positions taken by Iran's leadership toward Israel. Senior Iranian officials, including former Supreme Leader allies and members of the Revolutionary Guard, have repeatedly called for the elimination of the Israeli state. Iran does not recognize Israel's legitimacy and has consistently supported armed groups that seek Israel's destruction. From Israel's perspective, a government that funds and arms organizations dedicated to its destruction while pursuing advanced nuclear capabilities represents a serious security threat. That context is critical to understanding why tensions remain high.

Finally, the idea that Iran has always been capable of building a nuclear weapon but simply chooses not to ignores the extensive international monitoring and sanctions that have shaped Iran's nuclear program for decades. Intelligence agencies and the IAEA have concluded that Iran conducted organized weapons related nuclear research in the early 2000s before suspending parts of that work. Since then the international community has attempted to constrain the program through diplomacy and inspections rather than war. The situation is therefore not a simple story of two aggressive nations targeting an innocent state. It is a complex geopolitical conflict involving proxy warfare, ideological hostility, regional power competition, and disputed nuclear ambitions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robert Pape is a UChicago professor and one of the leading experts on air power. He has advised every White House since 2001 (43 W) to 2024 (46 Biden), including Trump 45.

He paints a terrible picture of the war now and the consequences into the future.

Can anyone point to a single academic expert that says the Iran invasion is a good thing?


The Iran War Expert: I Simulated The Iran War for 20 Years. Here’s What Happens Next

Trump IS TRAPPED In Iran Escalation Nightmare

There are a whole bunch of experts saying the Iranians have not used their best missiles and drones. They are still using old and outdated missiles to deplete the air defenses. The next stage of the war will be a lot more destructive in Israel, the gulf states and the US.

Though they have been saying it on long time.
https://youtu.be/pJRmkd3H4DY?si=8h-CZBBj3k8gVrOZ

Air defenses of Israel and US has collapsed
https://www.youtube.com/live/nMjMz8yL_kk?si=5BFBhRX_wkaYX70R

How real and current are these analyses? There is very little info available on what Iranian targets have been hit, but there are numerous sources citing that the numbers of ballistic missile and drone launches by Iran have shrunk dramatically, and that Iran's attacks are already less than 10% of what they were at the beginning of the war. That suggests a significant reduction in Iran's capabilities, whether many stockpiles and launch sites destroyed, command and control significantly degraded and so on. While "experts" are saying one thing about Iran's attack capabilities, the observed evidence seems to be the opposite.

We also don't know the full extent of what Israeli and other targets they did or didn't hit. Israel doesn't seem to be admitting much and if anything are expanding and broadening their strikes and attacks, whether targets in Lebanon or even hitting Basij street checkpoints in downtown Tehran

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Video of a missile hitting Tel Aviv. You can see at least two the interceptor missiles failing to hit it.

Looks like two Patriots missiles(?) meaning the THAAD already failed. Patriots detonate before hitting the missiles. THAAD is much higher altitude and is a kinetic kill.

https://youtube.com/shorts/17vnNA9RGuo?si=4JXG4CTQyHWf_woa

It's already been reported that as many as 50% of the missiles are not being intercepted. Israel cannot win this war. And their cities are being decimated. They can't even stop Hezbollah. And the Houthis have not even stepped in yet. Perhaps they're waiting for IDF to move assets north when they invade Lebanon. If the Arab states were smart they'd coordinate an invasion of Israel, break relations with the US, and seek agreements with China, Russia, and Iran. This is their best (perhaps last) chance since 73.

Arabs always save the Jews ass since the 7th century Good luck hoping.

And Jews saved Mohammed's ass during the Hijrah

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Video of a missile hitting Tel Aviv. You can see at least two the interceptor missiles failing to hit it.

Looks like two Patriots missiles(?) meaning the THAAD already failed. Patriots detonate before hitting the missiles. THAAD is much higher altitude and is a kinetic kill.

https://youtube.com/shorts/17vnNA9RGuo?si=4JXG4CTQyHWf_woa

It's already been reported that as many as 50% of the missiles are not being intercepted. Israel cannot win this war. And their cities are being decimated. They can't even stop Hezbollah. And the Houthis have not even stepped in yet. Perhaps they're waiting for IDF to move assets north when they invade Lebanon. If the Arab states were smart they'd coordinate an invasion of Israel, break relations with the US, and seek agreements with China, Russia, and Iran. This is their best (perhaps last) chance since 73.

Arabs always save the Jews ass since the 7th century Good luck hoping.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve lost another six. All the crew from the refueling plane that crashed.

Why is it always six? I don’t believe any numbers from the White House. They hid that 150 soldiers were seriously wounded.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Video of a missile hitting Tel Aviv. You can see at least two the interceptor missiles failing to hit it.

Looks like two Patriots missiles(?) meaning the THAAD already failed. Patriots detonate before hitting the missiles. THAAD is much higher altitude and is a kinetic kill.

https://youtube.com/shorts/17vnNA9RGuo?si=4JXG4CTQyHWf_woa

It's already been reported that as many as 50% of the missiles are not being intercepted. Israel cannot win this war. And their cities are being decimated. They can't even stop Hezbollah. And the Houthis have not even stepped in yet. Perhaps they're waiting for IDF to move assets north when they invade Lebanon. If the Arab states were smart they'd coordinate an invasion of Israel, break relations with the US, and seek agreements with China, Russia, and Iran. This is their best (perhaps last) chance since 73.

Anonymous wrote:We’ve lost another six. All the crew from the refueling plane that crashed.