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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

Anonymous wrote:Some news outlets are reporting that Blake paid Justin as part of the settlement. I'm not sure about that, but he sure looked happy in his pap walk while Blake looked pretty miserable even at the Met Ball.

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But anyway, clearly there were some inappropriate activities, but it seemed to have all been rectified. They came to an agreement and there were texts from Blake herself saying the set was totally different in the second half and that things were running much more smoothly. So it really did seem like she was looking for someone to blame for the backlash and not holding any one accountable for bad behavior.

I don't think Blake would have sued if she had not become aware of the texts on Jen Abel's phone showing that Baldoni and Wayfarer had intentionally gone after her in the media. Especially the stuff about Jed and talking about an "untraceable" campaign against her. I think that yes, there was inappropriate behavior on set and she complained and it got better after the hiatus, and Blake felt the situation had been resolved and wanted to move on.

But then two things happened: she got raked over the coals during promotion of the movie AND she learned about the Abel texts via Taylor's publicist friend.

The issues on set only became part of her allegations because when you allege retaliation, you have to establish that you engaged in a protected activity, like complaining about SH. Which she did -- she believed she had been SHed and she complained about it. That the court later determined she was an independent contractor who can't sue under SH laws doesn't suddenly make that a lie. She absolutely believed she (and other women) had been mistreated on set, and she believed her complaints to Wayfarer and Sony were necessary to address that behavior. You can quibble about whether you, personally, would have found what she experienced upsetting. You can argue she was too sensitive or that she was subconsciously predisposed to look for offense because she didn't like Baldoni from the start. Fine. Maybe. But she believed she'd been SHed, she complained, and everyone agreed that the second half of shooting was fine so her complaints clearly benefitted the production.

The Jen Abel text message clearly indicate that Baldoni was scared Lively would go public with her complaints, and it appears they hired crisis PR and Jed Wallace to discredit her publicly so that if she did go public, she would not be believed. Like that's just how I read those texts. It's obviously how Blake reads them, and her lawyers clearly found them compelling enough to launch the law suit. You might disagree. That's what the trial would have been about, and I actually think it's unfortunate there won't be one.

But she has not changed her story. The case was always about the retaliation and she never would have sued if she hadn't seen those texts on Jen Abel's phone that really do seem to show Baldoni and Wayfarer plotting to destroy her rep in order to keep her silent. That's my take on the case and it's fine if you disagree, but I'm a real person, I've followed the case from the beginning, and while there is a lot of nuance in all this, this remains my position.

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But anyway, clearly there were some inappropriate activities, but it seemed to have all been rectified. They came to an agreement and there were texts from Blake herself saying the set was totally different in the second half and that things were running much more smoothly. So it really did seem like she was looking for someone to blame for the backlash and not holding any one accountable for bad behavior.

I don't think Blake would have sued if she had not become aware of the texts on Jen Abel's phone showing that Baldoni and Wayfarer had intentionally gone after her in the media. Especially the stuff about Jed and talking about an "untraceable" campaign against her. I think that yes, there was inappropriate behavior on set and she complained and it got better after the hiatus, and Blake felt the situation had been resolved and wanted to move on.

But then two things happened: she got raked over the coals during promotion of the movie AND she learned about the Abel texts via Taylor's publicist friend.

The issues on set only became part of her allegations because when you allege retaliation, you have to establish that you engaged in a protected activity, like complaining about SH. Which she did -- she believed she had been SHed and she complained about it. That the court later determined she was an independent contractor who can't sue under SH laws doesn't suddenly make that a lie. She absolutely believed she (and other women) had been mistreated on set, and she believed her complaints to Wayfarer and Sony were necessary to address that behavior. You can quibble about whether you, personally, would have found what she experienced upsetting. You can argue she was too sensitive or that she was subconsciously predisposed to look for offense because she didn't like Baldoni from the start. Fine. Maybe. But she believed she'd been SHed, she complained, and everyone agreed that the second half of shooting was fine so her complaints clearly benefitted the production.

The Jen Abel text message clearly indicate that Baldoni was scared Lively would go public with her complaints, and it appears they hired crisis PR and Jed Wallace to discredit her publicly so that if she did go public, she would not be believed. Like that's just how I read those texts. It's obviously how Blake reads them, and her lawyers clearly found them compelling enough to launch the law suit. You might disagree. That's what the trial would have been about, and I actually think it's unfortunate there won't be one.

But she has not changed her story. The case was always about the retaliation and she never would have sued if she hadn't seen those texts on Jen Abel's phone that really do seem to show Baldoni and Wayfarer plotting to destroy her rep in order to keep her silent. That's my take on the case and it's fine if you disagree, but I'm a real person, I've followed the case from the beginning, and while there is a lot of nuance in all this, this remains my position.

But anyway, clearly there were some inappropriate activities, but it seemed to have all been rectified. They came to an agreement and there were texts from Blake herself saying the set was totally different in the second half and that things were running much more smoothly. So it really did seem like she was looking for someone to blame for the backlash and not holding any one accountable for bad behavior.

Anonymous wrote:I've not followed the beef closely enough to take a side, but especially after this resolution it seems like it was so pointless and a negative for both in terms of reputation. I felt a little bad for her at the MET because she was trying so hard to look carefree and happy. She did look gorgeous but snapped a little at the train guy and seemed nervous.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

This is selective bias. On this thread, Justin supporters have consistently been called misogynists, insane, off their meds and and much worse, and repeatedly claimed that there is one single “Baldoni Stan” posting 24 hours a day

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

This is selective bias. On this thread, Justin supporters have consistently been called misogynists, insane, off their meds and and much worse, and repeatedly claimed that there is one single “Baldoni Stan” posting 24 hours a day

This is classic projection. Comically so. Baldoni Stan? You must be joking.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

This is selective bias. On this thread, Justin supporters have consistently been called misogynists, insane, off their meds and and much worse, and repeatedly claimed that there is one single “Baldoni Stan” posting 24 hours a day

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.