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Anonymous wrote:This guy really is not showing many aspects of schizophrenia, and anyone who knows anything about it would agree.

To carry this off required a high level of cognitive functioning, planning, organization, general executive functioning. None of that is present if someone has schizophrenia. No clear signs of psychosis, really nothing here that points to schizophrenia.

He's simply a young man who became radicalized, had physical health issues, and took it to the extreme. There are thousands, maybe million millions, of men who are like this.

My relative with schizophrenia has a lot of cognitive functioning and executive function for the weird things he hyper focuses on, which are luckily non-violent. Idk if your characterization is correct for all presentations.

Anonymous wrote:My son has an MS in a tech field. Smart 1580 SAT kid, gifted, tons of friends, never misbehaved even as a toddler. Around age 27 he started saying his co-workers were laughing at his ideas during meetings (I didn't believe it). He took his passport on a day trip to DC. Why? In case he needed to flee to Canada on short notice (paranoia).
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They took him to the psych hospital in Staunton. Wonderful place where he stayed for a month.

His roommates told us our son and a friend had been smoking a lot of pot. The psychiatrist dx him with some combo name of schizophrenia/bipolar and said the exact dx didn't matter, same meds.

She believed there is a link between pot and Schiz onset. Either they turn to pot to handle Sz symptoms, or possible pot usage can bring out Sz, which was lurking below the surface.

I was so grateful he didn't do something to get arrested during his psychotic episode, which had probably been brewing for a year.

Of course he went off the psych meds within 6 months. While he hasn't had a repeat episode in 6 years, I think he isn't smoking pot regularly. However, he is now very under-employed, working part-time as an admin. He lives with his dad, so no pressure to pay bills.

I'm grateful he's "stable". But boy, this story sounded a little too familiar to me. This type of thing was my biggest fear. I can't imagine how Luigi's parents and friends feel.

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Anonymous wrote:Then why not legalize medically assisted suicide?

That’s a separate issue. People can deny expensive and futile treatment, while still receiving comfort care (pain meds, fluids, oxygen). That is what hospice is.

Actually, hospice tries to tell families that it is totally normal to stop giving nutrition and hydration to people. I don't call that "comfortable." There is a whole rationalization that is used to hasten death.

The hospice industry is another big business can of worms: https://www.propublica.org/article/hospice-healthcare-aseracare-medicare

Off topic but PLEASE don’t include scientific misinformation while discussing capitalism and big business.

I’ve seen too many people die a more uncomfortable death than needed because of this misunderstanding.

When someone is actively dying, it is in their best interest NOT to have hydration. Their vasculature cannot hold fluid in and it spreads to places it shouldn’t be (ie- lungs). Same goes for nutrition; bowels slow down. Bodies know how to die.

-hospital Oncology RN who has no interest in anything but patients’ comfort

Lots of people have food and water removed before they are "actively dying" and then they begin "actively dying."

Anonymous wrote:This guy really is not showing many aspects of schizophrenia, and anyone who knows anything about it would agree.

To carry this off required a high level of cognitive functioning, planning, organization, general executive functioning. None of that is present if someone has schizophrenia. No clear signs of psychosis, really nothing here that points to schizophrenia.

He's simply a young man who became radicalized, had physical health issues, and took it to the extreme. There are thousands, maybe million millions, of men who are like this.

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Anonymous wrote:He is a jail house hottie

Him being attractive and well educated is doing him a lot of favors in the court of public opinion.

And young
And tall
And well read (but mostly newer books out, not classics).

Don’t forget rich. None of his peers have came out and can come up with a negative thing to say about him either and from the outside seems perfectly nice. He would be a perfect boyfriend to the Gen Z girls if he wasn’t a killer.

His peers are saying nice things about him because he was a nice, smart young man.

Something happened after that.

Drug usage and it might sound far fetched but maybe a cult or extremist group. If you look at the timeline he was basically unemployed in San Francisco for a year and stopped talking to family in July. That time period seems to be the most critical here and it doesn’t look like he has any friends from that time coming out to talk about him. It has to be something about that last year.

Or more likely just schizophrenia. It develops in young men around that age.

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Anonymous wrote:Then why not legalize medically assisted suicide?

That’s a separate issue. People can deny expensive and futile treatment, while still receiving comfort care (pain meds, fluids, oxygen). That is what hospice is.

Actually, hospice tries to tell families that it is totally normal to stop giving nutrition and hydration to people. I don't call that "comfortable." There is a whole rationalization that is used to hasten death.

The hospice industry is another big business can of worms: https://www.propublica.org/article/hospice-healthcare-aseracare-medicare

Off topic but PLEASE don’t include scientific misinformation while discussing capitalism and big business.

I’ve seen too many people die a more uncomfortable death than needed because of this misunderstanding.

When someone is actively dying, it is in their best interest NOT to have hydration. Their vasculature cannot hold fluid in and it spreads to places it shouldn’t be (ie- lungs). Same goes for nutrition; bowels slow down. Bodies know how to die.

-hospital Oncology RN who has no interest in anything but patients’ comfort

Anonymous wrote:My son has an MS in a tech field. Smart 1580 SAT kid, gifted, tons of friends, never misbehaved even as a toddler. Around age 27 he started saying his co-workers were laughing at his ideas during meetings (I didn't believe it). He took his passport on a day trip to DC. Why? In case he needed to flee to Canada on short notice (paranoia).

He also started doing a lot of book reading and posting philosophical stuff on SM that sounded similar to Luigi in that it was "deep", but to me, unintelligible. I'm a retired engineer, but had no idea what he was saying.

Then he went radio silent on me for almost a year. Out of the blue he called, very manic and excited that he had the secret to world peace, blah blah.

I finally called my ex and he hopped on a plane. By the time he got there, our son was in a full on psychotic episode where he thought he was in a different dimension.

Thank goodness his roommate knew to call police trained in mental issues. He told the police his dad was really an imposter.

They took him to the psych hospital in Staunton. Wonderful place where he stayed for a month.

His roommates told us our son and a friend had been smoking a lot of pot. The psychiatrist dx him with some combo name of schizophrenia/bipolar and said the exact dx didn't matter, same meds.

She believed there is a link between pot and Schiz onset. Either they turn to pot to handle Sz symptoms, or possible pot usage can bring out Sz, which was lurking below the surface.

I was so grateful he didn't do something to get arrested during his psychotic episode, which had probably been brewing for a year.

Of course he went off the psych meds within 6 months. While he hasn't had a repeat episode in 6 years, I think he isn't smoking pot regularly. However, he is now very under-employed, working part-time as an admin. He lives with his dad, so no pressure to pay bills.

I'm grateful he's "stable". But boy, this story sounded a little too familiar to me. This type of thing was my biggest fear. I can't imagine how Luigi's parents and friends feel.

Anonymous wrote:My son has an MS in a tech field. Smart 1580 SAT kid, gifted, tons of friends, never misbehaved even as a toddler. Around age 27 he started saying his co-workers were laughing at his ideas during meetings (I didn't believe it). He took his passport on a day trip to DC. Why? In case he needed to flee to Canada on short notice (paranoia).

He also started doing a lot of book reading and posting philosophical stuff on SM that sounded similar to Luigi in that it was "deep", but to me, unintelligible. I'm a retired engineer, but had no idea what he was saying.

Then he went radio silent on me for almost a year. Out of the blue he called, very manic and excited that he had the secret to world peace, blah blah.

I finally called my ex and he hopped on a plane. By the time he got there, our son was in a full on psychotic episode where he thought he was in a different dimension.

Thank goodness his roommate knew to call police trained in mental issues. He told the police his dad was really an imposter.

They took him to the psych hospital in Staunton. Wonderful place where he stayed for a month.

His roommates told us our son and a friend had been smoking a lot of pot. The psychiatrist dx him with some combo name of schizophrenia/bipolar and said the exact dx didn't matter, same meds.

She believed there is a link between pot and Schiz onset. Either they turn to pot to handle Sz symptoms, or possible pot usage can bring out Sz, which was lurking below the surface.

I was so grateful he didn't do something to get arrested during his psychotic episode, which had probably been brewing for a year.

Of course he went off the psych meds within 6 months. While he hasn't had a repeat episode in 6 years, I think he isn't smoking pot regularly. However, he is now very under-employed, working part-time as an admin. He lives with his dad, so no pressure to pay bills.

I'm grateful he's "stable". But boy, this story sounded a little too familiar to me. This type of thing was my biggest fear. I can't imagine how Luigi's parents and friends feel.