Anonymous
09/10/2022 15:25
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/10/2022 14:17
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting five conservative Catholics on SCOTUS was an extremely bad idea. They are forcing their minority religious views onto the rest of us. Religious freedom only for conservative Christians but no one else. If they recognize "fetal personhood" then we have moved into full-on Christo-fascist territory and expanding the Court is the only option.
These people aren't conservatives. They are radical fundamentalists, who are trying to impose their will on the rest of us.
I agree that putting 5 catholics with similar views that align with the catholic church but isn’t aligned with the majority view is a problem. Not sure if expanding the court is a solution. Not sure what is a good solution but it’s crazy that 5 people took away women’s right to choose.
Anonymous
09/10/2022 12:22
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting five conservative Catholics on SCOTUS was an extremely bad idea. They are forcing their minority religious views onto the rest of us. Religious freedom only for conservative Christians but no one else. If they recognize "fetal personhood" then we have moved into full-on Christo-fascist territory and expanding the Court is the only option.
These people aren't conservatives. They are radical fundamentalists, who are trying to impose their will on the rest of us.
IMHO, ACB is not Catholic. She is far outside the mainstream and radical for Catholics. "People of Praise" is a secretive, nutty fringe group of Protestants and Catholics that mainstream Catholics never heard of before ACB and would not recognize as Catholic if they stumbled into a meeting unknowingly. Similar to Opus Dei. Rome should officially dump them like they have done with other off the rails groups. They certainly don't speak for Catholics. When you learn about what they are into, you don't need to wonder why they felt the need to be "secretive" among other Catholics. They are much more aligned with Protestant Pentacostalism.
Anonymous
09/10/2022 12:07
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Putting five conservative Catholics on SCOTUS was an extremely bad idea. They are forcing their minority religious views onto the rest of us. Religious freedom only for conservative Christians but no one else. If they recognize "fetal personhood" then we have moved into full-on Christo-fascist territory and expanding the Court is the only option.
Didn't our Founding Fathers demand a separation of church and state because they had seen what the papists did to Europe?
Not necessarily limited to papists but the Founding Fathers---especially Jefferson, who authored the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom---did not want a state religion. And up until the latter half of the 20th century---there was a good deal of anti-Catholic prejudice in the United States because of a belief that Catholics were doctrinally obligated to take their marching orders from Rome. It was a big concern when Kennedy was elected. Post Kennedy's election, those views had by and large been dismissed as anti-Catholic religious prejudice.
But now, with the Dobbs decision and the periodic attempts by the most conservative bishops in the Catholic Church to punish Catholic politicians like Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi who refuse to fall in line on this issue, I don't necessarily think those long-ago fears were completely unfounded. And the evangelical fundamentalists have embraced the pro-life agenda because of a combination of white supremacy (no abortions in southern states means more white babies) and subjugation of women. The Southern Baptists did not protest Roe v. Wade and indeed had no position on abortion until the early 1980s, when the fundamentalist faction staged a coup and took over the Southern Baptist convention. But all the Evangelicals and all the Catholics still comprise less than 50% of the Christians in the US. Add to that all the non-Christian religions who believe that abortion should not be limited until after the first 15 weeks (e.g.,, Jews, Muslims) and the tyranny by the religious minority is even clearer.
They are completely unfounded because even though the US Bishops may have tried to "punish" them, Rome supports them.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/1108548298/pelosi-vatican-communion-abortion-rights
Anonymous
09/10/2022 11:44
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
I am glad she's telling her story. I hope it wakes up a few other women (and men!) who've fallen for the simplistic "abortion is murder" BS and realize that abortion is also literally "therapeutic" and can save lives.
She is brave, and I commend her for that. It took courage for her to go public with her story. She could have kept quiet, but she chose to help others and go public.
She is brave, and I commend her for that. It took courage for her to go public with her story. She could have kept quiet, but she chose to help others and go public.
Anonymous
09/10/2022 11:29
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
The old “the only moral abortion is my abortion” sadly applies over and over.
This is the fundamental problem with folks on the right. They are hyper focused on how they are impacted. There is never a thought to the community at large. They never ask what do others need, so they dislike social safety nets, student loan forgiveness etc. Its ironic that they are typically ardent Christians since their God’s son made the ultimate sacrifice and gave his life for their sins.
Anonymous
09/10/2022 11:03
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The old “the only moral abortion is my abortion” sadly applies over and over.
I don’t think this woman really fits that trope- she seems to be actually pro choice now. The “only moral abortion” crowd is those that protest at an abortion clinic one day, get an abortion the next, and then go back to protesting at the clinic the next.
Not giving this woman a total pass but it sounds like she was raised is a religious household and taught that all abortions are murder. This shows the damaging effect of indoctrinating kids in religion and one dimensional thinking from an early age.
Absolutely. More states should be looking out for the fundamental rights of their children to not be raised and indoctrinated by religious nutters. There’s no right to privacy when it comes to other people anymore, right? Let’s take it to the logical conclusion. A parents right to be free in their exercise of their religon does not extend to their right to force that on others, including their minor children.
Anonymous
09/10/2022 10:51
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
The old “the only moral abortion is my abortion” sadly applies over and over.
I don’t think this woman really fits that trope- she seems to be actually pro choice now. The “only moral abortion” crowd is those that protest at an abortion clinic one day, get an abortion the next, and then go back to protesting at the clinic the next.
Not giving this woman a total pass but it sounds like she was raised is a religious household and taught that all abortions are murder. This shows the damaging effect of indoctrinating kids in religion and one dimensional thinking from an early age.
Anonymous
09/09/2022 18:55
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
The old “the only moral abortion is my abortion” sadly applies over and over.
Anonymous
09/09/2022 16:59
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/09/2022 16:52
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Putting five conservative Catholics on SCOTUS was an extremely bad idea. They are forcing their minority religious views onto the rest of us. Religious freedom only for conservative Christians but no one else. If they recognize "fetal personhood" then we have moved into full-on Christo-fascist territory and expanding the Court is the only option.
Didn't our Founding Fathers demand a separation of church and state because they had seen what the papists did to Europe?
Not necessarily limited to papists but the Founding Fathers---especially Jefferson, who authored the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom---did not want a state religion. And up until the latter half of the 20th century---there was a good deal of anti-Catholic prejudice in the United States because of a belief that Catholics were doctrinally obligated to take their marching orders from Rome. It was a big concern when Kennedy was elected. Post Kennedy's election, those views had by and large been dismissed as anti-Catholic religious prejudice.
But now, with the Dobbs decision and the periodic attempts by the most conservative bishops in the Catholic Church to punish Catholic politicians like Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi who refuse to fall in line on this issue, I don't necessarily think those long-ago fears were completely unfounded. And the evangelical fundamentalists have embraced the pro-life agenda because of a combination of white supremacy (no abortions in southern states means more white babies) and subjugation of women. The Southern Baptists did not protest Roe v. Wade and indeed had no position on abortion until the early 1980s, when the fundamentalist faction staged a coup and took over the Southern Baptist convention. But all the Evangelicals and all the Catholics still comprise less than 50% of the Christians in the US. Add to that all the non-Christian religions who believe that abortion should not be limited until after the first 15 weeks (e.g.,, Jews, Muslims) and the tyranny by the religious minority is even clearer.
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/09/2022 16:41
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Putting five conservative Catholics on SCOTUS was an extremely bad idea. They are forcing their minority religious views onto the rest of us. Religious freedom only for conservative Christians but no one else. If they recognize "fetal personhood" then we have moved into full-on Christo-fascist territory and expanding the Court is the only option.
These people aren't conservatives. They are radical fundamentalists, who are trying to impose their will on the rest of us.