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Anonymous wrote:Two healthy adults and a healthy dog don't really die suddenly from heatstroke in 110 weather, do they? I mean, many people all over the world live in those environments and travel, work outside, etc. I just don't think this is likely at all, at least not without other major complicating factors.

The people who live in those environments physically adapt to the conditions. These are pasty folks who live in San Francisco for decades until they moved to the Sierra foothills in 2020.

I had originally thought it was poison. But I’ve now come around to the heat stroke theory given the temps that day and the disorientation caused by heat stroke. They thought they’d finish the hike a lot quicker and then something happened. My guess is that the dog got injured or overheated. If they followed the trail down to the river, they’d have to climb up up nearly 2000 vertical feet (I looked at the topo maps). The main portion of the climb coming back was on the southern slope fully exposed to the sun with no shade at all - just a brown dirt trail and brown scrub lands (look on Google maps satellite view).

Here’s the coordinates of where they were found (copy/paste into Google Maps):
(37.6021769, -119.8297031)

That’s absolutely unforgiving terrain in mid August.

It’s a weird place for a hike. But wouldn’t be too bad if they had planned to go from 7 AM - 9 AM, for example.

The parents have hiked in weirder places and its an established trail.

https://sierranewsonline.com/hiking-on-the-savage-lundy-trail/

Those pics are out of date, from 2015. A big fire swept through that area in 2018 and burned all the trees. It’s now mostly scrubs and bushes, see more recent pics here.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/california/article253642528.html

I read in another local newspaper article that the Search & Rescue satellite phones were not working in the area where the family was found. They had to hike up hill to connect with satellite. No way in hell cell phones were catching signal out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe 4 mammals simultaneously died of heat stroke. It’s not lightning. It’s a physical condition that develops on different timelines in different people (and dogs).

This. Even if the child/dog died at different times, the idea that both parents would be incapacitated/dead so close together is nearly impossible. They were experienced hikers only 1.5 miles from the trailhead. The least sick one would have gone for help with the baby and phone. I have hiked in the California desert many times and my partner and I had contingency plans for every possible emergency. Well, not poison gas or algae, but certainly heat, broken ankle, snakebite, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Two healthy adults and a healthy dog don't really die suddenly from heatstroke in 110 weather, do they? I mean, many people all over the world live in those environments and travel, work outside, etc. I just don't think this is likely at all, at least not without other major complicating factors.

The people who live in those environments physically adapt to the conditions. These are pasty folks who live in San Francisco for decades until they moved to the Sierra foothills in 2020.

I had originally thought it was poison. But I’ve now come around to the heat stroke theory given the temps that day and the disorientation caused by heat stroke. They thought they’d finish the hike a lot quicker and then something happened. My guess is that the dog got injured or overheated. If they followed the trail down to the river, they’d have to climb up up nearly 2000 vertical feet (I looked at the topo maps). The main portion of the climb coming back was on the southern slope fully exposed to the sun with no shade at all - just a brown dirt trail and brown scrub lands (look on Google maps satellite view).

Here’s the coordinates of where they were found (copy/paste into Google Maps):
(37.6021769, -119.8297031)

That’s absolutely unforgiving terrain in mid August.

It’s a weird place for a hike. But wouldn’t be too bad if they had planned to go from 7 AM - 9 AM, for example.

The parents have hiked in weirder places and its an established trail.

https://sierranewsonline.com/hiking-on-the-savage-lundy-trail/

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Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

And then put the baby back into his pack and sat down to die?

Also no wounds - no stabs, no bullets, no strangulation marks, no assault.

I think that’s what this was too. Family annihilation. So freaking sad.

Serious question - is it typical for family annihilators to kill the pets too? It’s not like the dog is gonna tattle. The death of the dog points away from murder/suicide IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t 911 actually work even in areas of no service? I guess I’m naive but I thought that 911 would often work in places where you can’t get “normal” service. You can also text 911….even if there isn’t service, isn’t there a chance the text would go through?

How would 911 work in an area with no cell service?

Pp. I guess I’m dumb but honestly thought that there was some way it could work even if a normal call wouldn’t work. If there’s truly zero service then no, but I thought in areas where there’s not enough service for a normal call but still SOME service, then I thought 911 got prioritized or something.

I guess it’s a good thing I don’t go out hiking in areas with no cell service

Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe 4 mammals simultaneously died of heat stroke. It’s not lightning. It’s a physical condition that develops on different timelines in different people (and dogs).

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Anonymous wrote:Two healthy adults and a healthy dog don't really die suddenly from heatstroke in 110 weather, do they? I mean, many people all over the world live in those environments and travel, work outside, etc. I just don't think this is likely at all, at least not without other major complicating factors.

The people who live in those environments physically adapt to the conditions. These are pasty folks who live in San Francisco for decades until they moved to the Sierra foothills in 2020.

I had originally thought it was poison. But I’ve now come around to the heat stroke theory given the temps that day and the disorientation caused by heat stroke. They thought they’d finish the hike a lot quicker and then something happened. My guess is that the dog got injured or overheated. If they followed the trail down to the river, they’d have to climb up up nearly 2000 vertical feet (I looked at the topo maps). The main portion of the climb coming back was on the southern slope fully exposed to the sun with no shade at all - just a brown dirt trail and brown scrub lands (look on Google maps satellite view).

Here’s the coordinates of where they were found (copy/paste into Google Maps):
(37.6021769, -119.8297031)

That’s absolutely unforgiving terrain in mid August.

It’s a weird place for a hike. But wouldn’t be too bad if they had planned to go from 7 AM - 9 AM, for example.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two healthy adults and a healthy dog don't really die suddenly from heatstroke in 110 weather, do they? I mean, many people all over the world live in those environments and travel, work outside, etc. I just don't think this is likely at all, at least not without other major complicating factors.

The people who live in those environments physically adapt to the conditions. These are pasty folks who live in San Francisco for decades until they moved to the Sierra foothills in 2020.

I had originally thought it was poison. But I’ve now come around to the heat stroke theory given the temps that day and the disorientation caused by heat stroke. They thought they’d finish the hike a lot quicker and then something happened. My guess is that the dog got injured or overheated. If they followed the trail down to the river, they’d have to climb up up nearly 2000 vertical feet (I looked at the topo maps). The main portion of the climb coming back was on the southern slope fully exposed to the sun with no shade at all - just a brown dirt trail and brown scrub lands (look on Google maps satellite view).

Here’s the coordinates of where they were found (copy/paste into Google Maps):
(37.6021769, -119.8297031)

That’s absolutely unforgiving terrain in mid August.

It’s a weird place for a hike. But wouldn’t be too bad if they had planned to go from 7 AM - 9 AM, for example.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t 911 actually work even in areas of no service? I guess I’m naive but I thought that 911 would often work in places where you can’t get “normal” service. You can also text 911….even if there isn’t service, isn’t there a chance the text would go through?

How would 911 work in an area with no cell service?

Anonymous wrote:Murder suicide. Dad killed mom first (why she was found separately) then everyone else together.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two healthy adults and a healthy dog don't really die suddenly from heatstroke in 110 weather, do they? I mean, many people all over the world live in those environments and travel, work outside, etc. I just don't think this is likely at all, at least not without other major complicating factors.

The people who live in those environments physically adapt to the conditions. These are pasty folks who live in San Francisco for decades until they moved to the Sierra foothills in 2020.

I had originally thought it was poison. But I’ve now come around to the heat stroke theory given the temps that day and the disorientation caused by heat stroke. They thought they’d finish the hike a lot quicker and then something happened. My guess is that the dog got injured or overheated. If they followed the trail down to the river, they’d have to climb up up nearly 2000 vertical feet (I looked at the topo maps). The main portion of the climb coming back was on the southern slope fully exposed to the sun with no shade at all - just a brown dirt trail and brown scrub lands (look on Google maps satellite view).

Here’s the coordinates of where they were found (copy/paste into Google Maps):
(37.6021769, -119.8297031)

That’s absolutely unforgiving terrain in mid August.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two healthy adults and a healthy dog don't really die suddenly from heatstroke in 110 weather, do they? I mean, many people all over the world live in those environments and travel, work outside, etc. I just don't think this is likely at all, at least not without other major complicating factors.

The people who live in those environments physically adapt to the conditions. These are pasty folks who live in San Francisco for decades until they moved to the Sierra foothills in 2020.

I had originally thought it was poison. But I’ve now come around to the heat stroke theory given the temps that day and the disorientation caused by heat stroke. They thought they’d finish the hike a lot quicker and then something happened. My guess is that the dog got injured or overheated. If they followed the trail down to the river, they’d have to climb up up nearly 2000 vertical feet (I looked at the topo maps). The main portion of the climb coming back was on the southern slope fully exposed to the sun with no shade at all - just a brown dirt trail and brown scrub lands (look on Google maps satellite view).